Ok calculate:

4500PSI=factor 15
3000PSI=factor 10

with a 68CI/4500PSI you should get somewhere around 1020 Shoots.

I only get maybe +-830 or something. So you are right below 650Psi the Mag will not recharge anymore. With the Level7 Bold you will have more Gas efficiency. With the Level10 you will not. You will loose pressur even with an Properly Tuned Level10. Thats the Fact of the Mechanical Anti Ball shop.

Thats my opinion. The Mag is a Gas Hogg.

Yeah well my new shocker is a horrible gas hog as well. Only 3 pods and a hopper off a 72/4500. Horrible. The thing is I'm either going to get rid of the shocker or the Ion, the Ion is fully up'd and runs great, the shocker needs about 100$ to make it great but it still shoots wonderful. I have never had a single chop, or problem with either gun so it is a very tough decision.

If I could at least get 4 pods and a hopper off a mag it wouldn't bother me that much. So gas hog ain't much of a prob since every field just about does all day air now. Just as long as I have enough air to empty my pack on a tank.

I've also been looking at the CCM Series 5 cocker. It looks every nice and has a great resale value for a cocker if I don't like it. Plus they say the autotrigger practically eliminates short strokes which is a plus for me.

Good, Good. join the mag side.

just tell me your price, or what you want to trade. i can get you something nice.

Ross
"Don't be afraid of the machines scenario players build... only fear what we would do if we didn't have paintball."

List of NEEDED Things for a Scenario Game
1) Mask 2) Gun 3) Money 4) Goldbond
5) Man Wipes (wet/baby wipes, but with a manly sounding name... we need em to!)
6) Pepto-Bismol

Well I dunno yet I haven't decided on what I want to get rid of the Shocker or the Ion I love them both so much. I leaning toward the Shocker though since its such a horrible gas hog and I need to buy a new bolt to make it better. And the Ion needs nothing.

Im building a pump, I could throw a CCM autotrgger on there if you want, just another option, b/c I don't like the hwole CCM guns themselves, I think they have a few good parts...there whole gun together I don't like to much...

Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nukes!

I'm not looking for a pump, thanks though Cozie.

I've spend the past 2 hours sitting here reading the Automag Owners forums, specifically the Deep Blue projects. Many good reads there. Anyhow, I suggest spending an hour per night reading some of the technical threads on AO and see just how much theorizing, testing, analyzing, and quality goes into everything from AGD. I've seen tech facts that nearly made me poop myself. The things I've read there are astonishing and enlightening.

Here's a good snippet I read tonite:

AGD
Former President of AGD Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Chicago
Posts: 5,255

"There is some historical, anecdotal evidence for fast firing rates to produce tighter groups. In the early 90's Paintball Consumer Reports International clamped a minimag in a vise with an auto response trigger and fired full speed at a target.

The results stated that the configuration was the most accurate they had ever tested. This is just a commentary without any verification but I thought it was interesting.

I personally think there might be a chance that a drafting paintball might stay in line better. (thats why I always shoot fast )

Lots of good stuff here guys, this is really facinating!!

AGD"

My mag is heavier than your mag.
My other mag is lighter than your anything!

I work in the PBJunkie sweatshop. I'm on the machine that sews awesome together to make graphics.

Thats pretty cool.

i'v read most of the Deep Blue, and Workshop threads. Very nice stuff, the inner tinkerer in you always gets some good ideas from most threads.

Ross
"Don't be afraid of the machines scenario players build... only fear what we would do if we didn't have paintball."

List of NEEDED Things for a Scenario Game
1) Mask 2) Gun 3) Money 4) Goldbond
5) Man Wipes (wet/baby wipes, but with a manly sounding name... we need em to!)
6) Pepto-Bismol

This is very true…. But the end result is the same. Actual air use or inability to use all the air you have still causes you to fill more often for the same amount of shots given the same size tank. So if fills are important, Mags are not the top on my list for recommending.

A5s can be gas hogs as well (as an example), but at least you can run them off of CO2 and bring more than one tank with you. This is not really an issue when running anything abt Mag other than a Classic Mag since they all (except classics) require HPA.
And there are more than a few who believe that “drafting” works best on paper and on internet forums but does not hold true in real world situations. It is easy to make assumptions and theories that sound good but hold no water…. And even easier to get folks on internet forums to believe it.

WWAD / POG #934 / CPPA #2157 / LPPC #1