*NEW* Airgun Designs Pro Classic

[Junkie]

Not sure when this was released:

Airgun Designs USA is proud to announce the release of our new entry level marker! The new Pro Classic, with all stainless valve and bullet-proof design, is set up with:

# black hopper left powerfeed body (other mainbodies available for additional charges - upcharge depends on body style)
# patented 68 Automag A.I.R. valve

$229



http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fu...categoryID=102

[shartley]

Just to let folks know, that is nothing “new”. It is made up of parts left in inventory that did not sell, and slapped together with the addition of the only “new” part, the bike grip style foregrip. All other parts are VERY old, just not used since they were sitting on the shelf.

All new parts made by/for AGD are aluminum, not SS. So when you see SS you know it is an old part. BUT, the 68 Automag valve CAN use CO2, which is a good thing for rec players.

So again, the only thing new about this marker is the foregrip, all other parts are old parts left in stock repackaged to clear inventory. This does not make is a bad marker though. It is still a great marker. But the only thing new about it is AGD’s assembling them and calling them new. The parts were virtually ignored and left on the shelf in favor of newer markers and parts… but AGD needs to actually MAKE money for a change, so we now see these for sale… again.

Now for some downsides of this marker…. To get the full performance of the new AGD markers you need to drop some serious money to replace virtually every part. The first thing would be the valve, and then if you want a wide selection of barrels for your marker you need to upgrade the whole body. Although I love twist lock barrels (I have one on my RT Pro) it is virtually impossible to get good after-market barrels for them since everyone is now going with threaded barrels. So unless you buy a barrel adapter, you will have to buy a new body which will accept the standard threaded barrels. And then you will probably want to upgrade the grip frame to one of quite a few after-market grip frames; IntelliFrame (agd), Y-Frame (agd), and one of several third party frames on the market (visit automags.org for list).

[phazeshifter]

Just wait until the PTP Mag comes out (supposedly this summer) Drop the cash on that and you'll be set!

The "new" classic is nice, but it's a bit pricey; however, you're buying QUALITY that is rarely seen in today's paintball world.

[scpaintballer01]

i agree with shartley. If your looking for a good out of the box marker i wouldnt reccommend a mag. They're geat to upgrade, but OTB suck. To me here would be the best way to upgrade your mag:

1. X-valve. Though a 225$ upgrade, it comes stock with lvl 10 bolt and allows the valve to ully recharge in less than .04 seconds. Read about it here: http://www.airgun.com/Products/xvalve.shtml

2. Id then go with a new body becase the powerfeed just wont load fast enough with the Xvalve (from what i hear). So id go with a ULE body. This will lighten your weight up substantially. Up to 3lb's lighter. The ULE body's run about 140$.

3. After your happy with this id go with some new barrels ect... to improve. Say you bought a freak kit. 120$.

4. Id now buy Intellie-feed. Its a 120$ upgrade that will attach your marker to your hopper. So, everytime you pull the trigger the hopper cycles.
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total: 605$

Ok, now your done with the essentials. Now you can upgrade to a bit mre flashy things like a Dalara body, ect... www.themagsmith.com has great mag accessories if your looking for them and RogueFactor (owner) has great service. He currently is selling his aftermarket mag the "Paradgim" for 439. It comes with:
-ULE Body
-Xvalve w/ lvl 10
-RPG Sleeper Rail
-Intelliefeed w/ blade trigger
-RT Pro ASA and Foregrip
-Black stainless steel line
-ADG Fittings and bottomline.

Thats a great deal if your looking for a great mid lvl gun. OR you can check out ADG's prodigy, the TAC-ONE. Read about it at www.airgun.com Standard price: 420 (lower if you talk to tunaman on www.automags.org) :wink:

So thats about it. A mag is either extremely nice, or just butt ugly IMO. If your looking for great mag pics. www.pbnation.com has a good following of upgraders BTW.

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by scpaintballer01

i agree with shartley. If your looking for a good out of the box marker i wouldnt reccommend a mag. They're geat to upgrade, but OTB suck.

Have you ever owned an Automag? Lets see I've been playing with 68 Automags for over 12 years and I did the upgrade thing at first but eventually went back to STOCK [except barrel] because it worked the most reliable in the stock form. The Stock foamless bolt was and I still think is the best bolt ever made for the gun. I used this configuration until just recently when I changed to the X-Valve, ULE body and Warp Feed. Now I'm dealing with a gun that is unreliable again and sometimes miss my old setup. I'll get this new version of my Mag working to my satisfaction but it will take a while. So what I'm saying is that you can not beat the Automag straight out of the box. All you need to do is shoot a couple cases of paint to get it worked in and then leave it alone and it will provide you with many fun days of play.

[scpaintballer01]

yes, i own a minimag, not really my taste. Looking to sell or trade for a phantom.

[shartley]

My post may have been misunderstood. Mags are great markers. The only real issues is that classic valves are not as good as the RetroValve and newer IMHO. And it is very easy to short stroke a classic Mag, thus the reputation of Mags being blenders.

And to get what players are using NOW, you will have to do some serious upgrading and drop a good chunk of change to do so.

Also in my opinion the X-Valve is overrated. It is simply a RetroValve made of aluminum and not SS, and the LX kit installed. And the RetroValve was fine. Also keep in mind that most people didn’t have a problem with chopping paint with the RT Pro, it only really was an issue for the E-Mags…. Thus AGD came up with the LX kit. But folks instantly thought you HAD to put it in every Mag made (since all Mags are essentially the same, only the trigger frames are different)…. WRONG. If you didn’t have a problem, leave it alone.

The more plumbing you have for your toilet, the easier it is to stop-up. And the same is true for Mags. The more AGD did to them, the less reliable they became. But they are still great markers.

As for MY Mag? It has worked flawlessly from day one. Only my tank has had a problem.

RetroValve Mags are fantastic markers, and classics are real workhorses. But I never advise anyone buy a classic unless their only option for air is CO2. And then make sure you learn the trigger. The biggest problem with players is they think they should be able to shoot long strings of paint at high ROFs with ANY marker out of the box. Well, that is just not the case sometimes. So when they get a Mag and start chopping, they blame the marker when it was them who was the problem. There are more friendly firing markers out there though, so folks should make a decision that will work for them.

I recommend always trying any particular marker before buying it, if possible.

Sorry if this is jumbled…. I am typing fast and my mind has much on it this week.

[scpaintballer01]

o no, please dont get me wrong either. Mags are one of the most reiable markers out there, great quality too. I was just stating that those are the upgrades that i believe would either make or break a mags resale value.

[Skeeter]

The largest flaw of the early Mags was the lack of “upgrade ability”. The blow forward platform has been around for about 15 years now, and is one of the most tried and true designs to ever hit the paintball field. Up until recently, there were very few options to choose from, and the few that did exist were cosmetic or related to the ball feed system.

Now days, you can get a fully functional Mag, with all of the reasonably desirable upgrades for < $550. The early classic (traditional stainless non RT) valve Mags were $500+ for a basic system. Of course, at that time, they were just known as Mags and not the Classic Mag. Once the R&D and assembly line startup costs were recouped by the manufacturer, the prices went down substantially. Now we can buy a fully functional Mag (stainless) for $220 and have a very consistent and accurate mid-range marker. Not a bad price to pay for that sort of technology.