THE CODE OF LAW


or even a simple code of ethics

BILLY CLIFFORD and apparently "CHEESECAKE"

I'm talking about all kinds of killing...war, religious reasons, etc...not just...i shot this guy kind of killing.

Ethics is a slippery slope.

Religious people like to believe with out religion there would be no law.

They trumpet their ideals as this and that, and say laws based on them are based on their religion. blah blah blah.

Religion is mass social control. Always has been always will be.

I have no problem with religion. I see my self as Christian. I dont claim to be a good one. Yes the USA was founded on Christian beliefs, but our forefathers fully understood what it was like to be discriminated upon based on religious differences. That's why many of them were here. Why do we think the first Amendment to the Constitution is the Freedom of Religion and Speech?

Huckabee seems like a good man. And he may make a fine president. But he can not be allowed to mess with the first ammendment. Too many of our rights have been trampeled (SP) upon by our government as it is now.

There has to be a seperation for there to be true freedom. I have no right to tell someone else that my religion is better then theirs. The only difference is my parents taught my about Jesus instead of Mohamed. How do I know I am right and they are not???

I am conflicted about the display of the Ten Commandments. I believe in the commandments but understadn the issue people have with it...

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This is a can of worms that should not be in this vinue....
This is a paintball sight not a sudo politic or Theloganistic web.
Our for fathers had the forsight to see that "The Government should not make a state regilion like ther church of england did which caused white people to come to america in the first place.
America and Americans respect the beleafs of other's religions, and allow there practice, in our own country. Where as "Islam" will behead you for expousing your beleafs to other Muslems.
Christianty which this Nation is founded under. Hasn't changed in all the hundreds of years we have been dwelling in this continant.
For anyone to say that "God or Jesus Christ His Son" has no place in our "political system" is clearly an "IDIOT" and has no understanding or Truth in there thinking. When good men do nothing evil will flourish.
God has blessed America and all Americans....in the past but I see a time when ther secular masses will cry out to "Jesus Christ" when he returns and He will say to thoes who rejected him, "Go Away For I knew you NOT!.
God Bless America and to the Republic for which is was created and stands today.

interesting read here --

Im reading Michael Criton's books NEXT and LOST WORLD. Both excellent books -- In Lost World, Ian Malcome explains his theory that complex organisms only thrive on the edge of chaos - and later theorizes that the dinosaur's behavior did not adapt quickly enough to the changing environment - but man's did.

In NEXT, Criton hits this theory again in his brief explainantion of why Neanderthal Man died off (as an untra-conservative) while Cro-Magnon man (as a more liberal innovative creation) adapted to and thrived in the world.

But they cross breed - leaving traces of the Neanderthal Gene in the genetic soup of the Cro-Magnon man - and now in us.

Looking at our two part system (Neanderthal = Repubilicans) and (Cro-Magnon = Liberals) and then applying a dose of Ian Malcome's premise that complex organisms can only thrive at the edge of chaos - I have to think that our two party political system is well designed at the genetic level to help preserve the balance at the edge of this chaos of our time.

I tend to lean Neanderthal - and I can appreciate Huckabee's passion and desired to shift our nation's moral level back few dozen decades. I can also see where a bunch of my Neanderthal brothers think (as I do) that the republicans have gone to close to the edge (Bush has to be Cro-Magnon). And as a result vote their displeasure.

I think Fred Thompson would have been a safe Neanderthal man.

Oh you've done it now John! You have taken a religious/politics/government discussion and added in EVOLUTION!

Now all the kooks are going to be coming out

"Qui tacet consentit"


"Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud."
-Sophocles

Actually Sir Rod this is the correct place to post this thread it was posted in the "Chat" Sub Forum.

"Qui tacet consentit"


"Rather fail with honor than succeed by fraud."
-Sophocles

A. This is in the chat section not the Paintball section... People have more then just opinions on paintball.

B. Since non of you founded on Christian principals idealist can give any background reference on why you think this country was founded on Christian ideals, and just outright insult anybody not believing in your idea. Ill give you a few quotes from some of the people that founded this country and helped draft our Constitution and Bill of Rights

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses." - John Adams

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies." - Benjamin Franklin

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" - Thomas Jefferson

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon that the Word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." - Thomas Paine

"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States." - George Washington


<moves soap box back to the front>

Now if you are going to start an argument and insult anybody that doesn't agree with you, you should at least be able to post some reference to back up your opinion.

99% of the founding fathers of this country were Atheist/Diest/Agnostic not Christian. If i believe in a creator, Loving your father and mother, Dont kill, dont steal, and religious tolerance. Does that make me a Christian? or does it mean i based my ideals off the Christian religion? NO it means you are going to pull a groin muscle while doing your stretching because you want to believe it does.

Again, humbly awaiting some proof of these Christian ideals our country was founded on...

Mayhaps you could point out all the Christian symbolism on our capital buildings that were built in the 25-30 years after the founding of the country (good luck)

</leaves soap box up for someone else>

Actually I dropped in the Intelligent Design argument applying genetic theories and extinction theories as applied to post-modern politics....

LOL --- what a gas.

friking neo-conservatives do love playing with fire.. PS: bring you soap box -- I need to do laundary..

interesting read here:
FuturePundit: Many Genes Changed To Make Human Ancestors Progressively Smarter


It suggest (among other things) that that educated people in industerilized nations have fewer kids!!! In evolutionary terms this means education (a largely government based institution) is systematically causing the downfall of human kind..!