Huckabee Commits Political Hari Kiri

[tate0301]

Originally Posted by socoj2

Yeah i often get confused about which bible people go by. I mean there are so many books written by the hand of god.. /sarcasm. So what your saying is that Christianity doesnt have a problem with homosexuals? because its not mentioned in the bible.. Whats the big fing firestorm about gay marriage then? And your telling me no christian has ever quoted the old testament?

How about some new Testament?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homesexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God."

Romans 1:21-27 "Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. The result was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they became utter fools instead. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds and animals and snakes."
"So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen."
That is why God abondoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved."

So my question? did God change his mind between the time the Old Testament was written with his guidance, and the time he helped out with the New Testament? or the King James bible LOL?

My point is, the word of ""god"" is interpreted by man, that gives the interpreter. a hrmph... GOD AWFUL amount of power to push their own agenda..

1) Yes according to the Bible homosexuality is sin. Now at one time in history God wanted homosexuality to be dealt with in that way, not any more. Does that mean He changed his mind? No! this command was in reference to that particular time. When at one time God told his people to go out every day and collect manna off the ground, dous that mean we are still supposed to do this today? Use it in context!

2)Hopefully a Christian who quoted the Bible would use it in context because he would have studied and understood the Bible beforehand.

3)Actually the interpreter does not have any measure of power because everyone can read the Bible for themselves. The last time this was a problem was before the reformation when the Bible was published in latin only.

I am done responding to these posts. Every time I answer you simply switch to another topic. I am sure you will spout some more but I will not respond so you can spout freely without rebuttle by me. If you ever have any honest questions feel free to PM me and I will do my best to answer your questions.

This has been an interesting thread.

Cheers

[GImpy]

OK let me help with this argument.

In the USA every Man Women and Child are Entitled to their own beliefs and Belief infrastructures. As seen in these forums everyone has their own opinion on who what and were god is. Now Back in the day when PRODISTANT's (I think thats how its spelled) came over on a boat because they were being persecuted. Our Constitution when it was formed was not based on Christian beliefs but a basic set of rules by which all religions (known at the time to the founders) can abide by. This is called Common Law. Now the Consititution is funny in the fact that it isnt Very specific. It says you have the right to Free speach and expression. Yet there are some malls that will not let you in because your wearing a t-shirt and jeans and you cant tell someone your going to kill them because that would be battery. The basic rules of all of this is. Your rights are wide open until you start to impose on someone elses. . Now before you go and say What about KKK rallys and other radical movments in public places. Basically you also have the right Not to be there .. Not to come out of your store or home and have to listen to that. (but i am pretty sure that you cant assemble like that in a residential area) but either way back to the post MR. Huckabee may feel that his realationship with god might help him win over the majority vote. who knows but when he talks about brining god to the consititution dont listen because that is what we have congress and the supreme court for.. end of story...

[GImpy]

UNTRUE .. I REALIZED THIS AND FOUND GOD WHEN THE FIRST BULLET SCREAMED BY MY HEAD WHILE IN BAGDAD

Originally Posted by SirRod

Most of you. My Friends on PBJ haven't reached the age of "Critical Thinking" so thier for. You haven't considered your own "Mortality" and what happens after you DIE! Worldy Politics and Theology will not mean as much to you after you reach that age and realize "YOU COULD DIE AT ANY MOMENT". Your attitudes about "Relegion" will change. Then you will understand the true meaning of life and its not "42" LOL!!!

[GImpy]

Originally Posted by tate0301

You are quoting the old testament. If you actually new anything about the Bible you would know why your quote is completely irrelevant.

^ are you saying that Jewish peoples ideals are irrelevant? Not Jewish but just asking..

[socoj2]

Good post Gimpy. That brings up the difference between Liberty and Security..

Suppose you have a sliding scale


Liberty -----------------------|-----------------------Security

As it nears one you loose the other. IF we truely had free liberty you could shoot anyone at your leisure and there would be no law. So we impose security, The more and more Secure you are the fewer and fewer liberties you have. I think a lot of people forget this, and the distinctions is not taught until college.

[GImpy]

^^ HE GETS IT.... and even cleaned it up for me THANX

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by GImpy

UNTRUE .. I REALIZED THIS AND FOUND GOD WHEN THE FIRST BULLET SCREAMED BY MY HEAD WHILE IN BAGDAD

lol i found no god but after the bullet flew by my head I yelled back your a Sh*** shot and returned fire.

As for a bible i would not take anything it says in it as fact. - remember the game with played in school when we were really young, the frist person and kept it going in a circle, when it got back to you it was something else then what you said.

Now remember this history is written by the victor. And sorry to say Christ lost to the Romans. There for the Romans won and the bible was changed again.

As there is no one alive from those times and no way to show the bible was never rewritten by someone. The bible must be taken for what it really is a Fictional book. you can learn from its lessons but don't put your whole life blindly following something that may or may not exist. Remember it is MAN that is telling you all this and Not a holy Deity. Faith is ok, Blind faith in something you cant prove sorry just cant do that as a thinking person

[crooked butt doctor]

Originally Posted by Chappy

lol i found no god but after the bullet flew by my head I yelled back your a Sh*** shot and returned fire.

As for a bible i would not take anything it says in it as fact. - remember the game with played in school when we were really young, the frist person and kept it going in a circle, when it got back to you it was something else then what you said.

Now remember this history is written by the victor. And sorry to say Christ lost to the Romans. There for the Romans won and the bible was changed again.

As there is no one alive from those times and no way to show the bible was never rewritten by someone. The bible must be taken for what it really is a Fictional book. you can learn from its lessons but don't put your whole life blindly following something that may or may not exist. Remember it is MAN that is telling you all this and Not a holy Deity. Faith is ok, Blind faith in something you cant prove sorry just cant do that as a thinking person

i have tried so many times to make that exact point, using that same example... i've never had any luck...

[socoj2]

[qoute]1) Yes according to the Bible homosexuality is sin. Now at one time in history God wanted homosexuality to be dealt with in that way, not any more. Does that mean He changed his mind? No! this command was in reference to that particular time. When at one time God told his people to go out every day and collect manna off the ground, dous that mean we are still supposed to do this today? Use it in context!

2)Hopefully a Christian who quoted the Bible would use it in context because he would have studied and understood the Bible beforehand.

3)Actually the interpreter does not have any measure of power because everyone can read the Bible for themselves. The last time this was a problem was before the reformation when the Bible was published in latin only. [/quote]

1. Which passage states homosexuality is a Sin? And I guess we need a new up to date version of the bible as the one we are working on is 2k years old.. Um God? Did we smite David Koresh to early before he could send us some updates?

2.?

3. You missed my point about the interpreter... I didnt mean the person who translates from latin. I meant the person who actually puts gods words to paper. Moses - blah blah blah blah... BECAUSE GOD TOLD ME SO!

But hey your not replying any more ;/

[JesterTLS]

Man has this thread went nuts. Well, that's what happens when you debate politics or religion. Or in this case, politics and religion.

Guys, try not to take offense at other peoples statements. Religion is a passionate topic.