Modern Parable...

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Originally Posted by DarkNinja

Please pay attention....
As you said, minimum wage is a benchmark. I said you cannot survive on min. wage. So why benchmark something that is impractical??? You don't benchmark the design of a car to run 200k miles and then say 'okay' 20k was close enough, do you???
If you look at how many union workers (I'vd been a UAW member for more than 10 yrs BTW) have been laid off and how many new union jobs have been created in the automotive industry IN THE USA, you will see that the big 3 "American" auto companies laid off and sent work overseas while Honda, Mercedes, and Toyata built more plants and employed more workers in the US. Also you'll see that many of these new factories are in the SE, where most PBjunkies live.

P.S. ease off Sir Rod, you have no idea what taxes, insurance, and real estate are like in FL. I just went through all of that, and I have uprooted my family for a job more times than I would have liked and each time it took 2-3 years to recover the move costs regardless of the economies or destinations even when making more at the new destination. you have no idea......

Hmm Last i checked Toyota was Union free, or at least the UAW was having a problem organizing. Hence the reason for opening plants in Rural Tennesse, Kentucky, Mississippi.

Ill say it right now, as soon as Toyota, nissan, and Honda - face the same union non-sense that Ford, GM and Chrysler have to put up with you will see shuttered Factories and decimated small rural towns. And a bunch of people complaining.

[DevilDoc]

The truth is Toyota and Hyundai are more American then Ford or GM. They have more manufactoring plants here and employ more American workers (real workers not execs). Excellent post Jes!

[JesterTLS]

Economics and politics sucks. Only thing I'll say on that. I understand both rather well, but discussion helping the matter went out in the early 1970's. No one truely cares any more. Can food and shot gun shells is where the American public need to invest!!!

At any rate Jester, I loved the parable. I hated to get rid of my Toyota Tacamo. I regret it ever time I see my friend driving my old truck. Trying to get out of debt... And Honda and Toyota found that is was cheaper to build it here and import it to Japan...? Ford couldnt figure it out?

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Originally Posted by JesterTLS

Economics and politics sucks. Only thing I'll say on that. I understand both rather well, but discussion helping the matter went out in the early 1970's. No one truely cares any more. Can food and shot gun shells is where the American public need to invest!!!

At any rate Jester, I loved the parable. I hated to get rid of my Toyota Tacamo. I regret it ever time I see my friend driving my old truck. Trying to get out of debt... And Honda and Toyota found that is was cheaper to build it here and import it to Japan...? Ford couldnt figure it out?

Umm They Know how to do it.. Just the UAW has to much power over them so they only way for them to do it is over seas outside of the UAW.

As soon as the UAW has that kind of power over Toyota/Nissan/Subaru You will see them pull out like a 17 year old.

[Saludapaintballer]

there was a article in the greenville newspaper yesterday about the shrimping bussiness in the carolinas....here are a couple of things i remeber off the top of my head...

fuel cost were between 25-30% of the profit and is now as much as 75%

90% of all shrimp consumed in the U.S. are now imported from other countries and are not ocean shrimp but raised in shrimp farms inland

in 1988 there were over 800 commercial shrimpers along the NC/SC/GA/AL/MS/LA/Coasts coast and now there are only a little over 200...

to top it off......there was an investigation by the goverment and found that the american market was flooded by imported shrimp being sold for less than production costs to run home shrimpers in the ground so we would then become reliant on them for shrimp....

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Originally Posted by Saludapaintballer

there was a article in the greenville newspaper yesterday about the shrimping bussiness in the carolinas....here are a couple of things i remeber off the top of my head...

fuel cost were between 25-30% of the profit and is now as much as 75%

90% of all shrimp consumed in the U.S. are now imported from other countries and are not ocean shrimp but raised in shrimp farms inland

in 1988 there were over 800 commercial shrimpers along the NC/SC/GA/AL/MS/LA/Coasts coast and now there are only a little over 200...

to top it off......there was an investigation by the goverment and found that the american market was flooded by imported shrimp being sold for less than production costs to run home shrimpers in the ground so we would then become reliant on them for shrimp....

Hmm So If you started A shrimp Farm locally and didnt have to pay the import cost and Tarrifs i bet you could make a killer profit!. *Note, i am from South west Louisiana and there are Several Commercial Shrimpers in my family.*

lets Examine, Compared to the world average for the following products, Does the US pay more or Less?

1. Rice
2. Corn
3. Sugar

Whats Funny is Japanase people people pay something like 4-5 times the world average for Rice, to help protect the local Rice farmers.

instead of crying about competition, you would think that people would spend all that extra energy towards adapting or finding new ways to compete...

[Noyes]

Perhaps this conversation should be shelved? Before it gets out of hand?

[sarge]

Lmao..... Gets.. Way Past That Now.

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Whats getting out of hand?

[thumper]

W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

read this.. ties in nicely with the opening canoes, but the article skips the part where Deming tried to get work w/ the US...

Ironic, that a US engineer from Iowa taught the Japanese how to make good cars...

"During June–August 1950, Deming trained hundreds of engineers, managers, and scholars in statistical process control (SPC) and concepts of quality. He also conducted at least one session for top management.[10] Deming's message to Japan's chief executives: improving quality will reduce expenses while increasing productivity and market share."

"A number of Japanese manufacturers applied his techniques widely and experienced theretofore unheard of levels of quality and productivity. The improved quality combined with the lowered cost created new international demand for Japanese products."

"To Ford's surprise, Deming talked not about quality but about management. He told Ford that management actions were responsible for 85% of all problems in developing better cars."


The Toyota Production System (TPS) is the philosophy which organizes manufacturing and logistics at Toyota, including the interaction with suppliers and customers. The TPS is a major part of the more generic "Lean manufacturing". It was largely created by the founder of Toyota, Sakichi Toyoda, his son Kiichiro Toyoda, and the engineer Taiichi Ohno; they drew heavily on the work of W. Edwards Deming and the writings of Henry Ford. When these men came to the United States to observe the assembly line and mass production that had made Ford rich, they were unimpressed. While shopping in a supermarket they observed the simple idea of an automatic drink resupplier; when the customer wants a drink, he takes one, and another replaces it. The main goals of the TPS are to design out overburden (muri), inconsistency (mura) and eliminate waste (muda).