Hpa

[ItalianAnaconda]

Some very interesting information. I did know that expansion chamber was a key part to a guy and that involved the Co2 but I really didnt know what it did. I did know that you are better off having an expansion chamber

[socoj2]

Its not integral, is Performance based in normal operation an expansion chamber will cause you to eliminate most of the liquid. Though if you dont have an anti siphon tank and tip your tank upside down an expansion chamber isnt going to help you.

[SirRod]

Originally Posted by socoj2

Its not integral, is Performance based in normal operation an expansion chamber will cause you to eliminate most of the liquid. Though if you dont have an anti siphon tank and tip your tank upside down an expansion chamber isnt going to help you.

You use a remote with out a expantion chamber and lets see how long you valve in you marker last. Depending on how many stages the expantion chamber is denotes how efficent it is. I've used an expantion chamber on my markers for years and never, repeat never got liquid into my valve...

[ItalianAnaconda]

I probably should of said that an expantion chamber is not vital but highly recommended. My Tippman 98c didnt have one, which is why I think that it broke. That or the fact it has been sitting in my closet for over a year and then I suddenly dedcided to use it again.

No that I think about it. It might be a problem with my Co2 tank. That thing had Co2 sitting in it for over a year.

[SirRod]

The reason I've always used an EC on my marker is.
So that there will be no spikes over the chrono, in former tournement play if you got liquid Co2 in you valve it would only cause a high pressuer spike causing the marker to shoot hot and garnering penitaly points. I actuall beleave that EC is one of the reasons my old team Firestorm did so well. When everyone was chronoing out of the game we never had hot markers and no penitaly points. Only later did I get my Impulse that dosn't like over presureization of the valve causing damage.
Your Tippman 98c realy didn't need an EC on it but it just made it more gas efficient. Co2 is very dirty so that could have been a factor in you 98c not working properly. Co2 sitting in your bottle for a year dosn't necessarly mean anything it would still be good after that ammount of time.

[socoj2]

I could blow up a gun in 15 seconds with or with out an expansion chamber...

[SirRod]

Originally Posted by socoj2

I could blow up a gun in 15 seconds with or with out an expansion chamber...

I don't understand why your being argumentative, you not helping. I'm trying to help answer IA question. Your not your just being contrite, for no reasion other than to get at me. You don't like it becaus I'm making sense.
Lets try being constructive insted of contrary.
I'm so glad you can blow up a marker, you sound dangerious to me.
By the way I've never, never ever heard of a marker "Blowing Up". Gas bottles yes markers no. I'f you have facts to back up your statement then show us.

[havokrooster]

we could sit here all day and debate which one is better. its pointless. so lets give this guy some ideas to consider about both and why we like them.

i am an hpa user. i shoot a diversified line of markers from my custom autococker to my tippmann x7. my cocker hates c02 and my tippmann doesnt care, so i use hpa and keep a happy medium. here are some other reasons.

i hate standing in line. at big games, the co2 line can get real cramped if you got alot of people shooting co2. hpa fills are quick and easy and i dont even have to take my tank off my gun.

i can run an hpa fill station off of my scuba tank with a 30 dollar adapter off of ebay. much better than a bulky and expensive c02 fill station. i never run out of air when playing rec games.

hpa gives me extremely reliable consistency. doesnt matter what condition i am playing in. it doesnt spike or drop, giving me a reliable shot every time.

i dont need to mod or buy anything extra for my gun when dealing with hpa.

hpa is pretty stable and clean. i dont have to worry about freezing my orings and destroying other internals when rapid firing. this allows me to run at fully auto capacity with no concerns.

hpa does not throw out a big cloud of gas and snow. allowing my position to be concealed.


these are just a few reasons i use hpa. i am sure someone can throw up a few good points about why they use co2 as well.

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by havokrooster

we could sit here all day and debate which one is better. its pointless. so lets give this guy some ideas to consider about both and why we like them.

i am an hpa user. i shoot a diversified line of markers from my custom autococker to my tippmann x7. my cocker hates c02 and my tippmann doesnt care, so i use hpa and keep a happy medium. here are some other reasons.

i hate standing in line. at big games, the co2 line can get real cramped if you got alot of people shooting co2. hpa fills are quick and easy and i dont even have to take my tank off my gun.

i can run an hpa fill station off of my scuba tank with a 30 dollar adapter off of ebay. much better than a bulky and expensive c02 fill station. i never run out of air when playing rec games.

hpa gives me extremely reliable consistency. doesnt matter what condition i am playing in. it doesnt spike or drop, giving me a reliable shot every time.

i dont need to mod or buy anything extra for my gun when dealing with hpa.

hpa is pretty stable and clean. i dont have to worry about freezing my orings and destroying other internals when rapid firing. this allows me to run at fully auto capacity with no concerns.

hpa does not throw out a big cloud of gas and snow. allowing my position to be concealed.


these are just a few reasons i use hpa. i am sure someone can throw up a few good points about why they use co2 as well.

Good pros for HPA

Pros of CO2

1 - More shots per size of bottle i.e. a full 20 oz CO2 will last for many more shots than a full 45cuin 4500 psi bottle (they are close to the same physical size)
2 - Essentially all fields are set up to fill CO2 bottles, HPA is getting close to being universally available but is not quite there yet and some places are unable to fully fill some HPA bottles
3 - Bottles are cheap so you can afford to have multiple bottles more easily than HPA.
4 - CO2's phase change can potentially imparting more energy into a paintball requiring less volume of gas to propel a ball [setup dependent very important in setting up an efficient stock class gun]
5 - Many places it is cheaper to fill CO2 than get HPA fills.

[ItalianAnaconda]

Thanks for the info SirRod, Havok, and Grendel.

I think to get back into the circulation of paintball, I am going to use my Co2 bottle that I already have, but as soon as I'm able to choke down the price of HPA tanks I am going to purchase one.

Thanks for giving me the pros and cons for both tanks.