Smart Parts is at it again

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by jhall9701

Not a attack, Just want to know if your post refers to mine?

Nope ,not at all you happened to post while I was typing. No one has done anything wrong "yet" just a friendly reminder to everyone. This topic is on several forums and has gotten heated at times. Just trying to keep everyone on topic and respectful. Please debate away

By the way jhall9701 you have some valid points in your post. I too feel you need to protect your own intellectual property and if you do not shame on you. My problem is there are patents already issued that supersede SP's recent patent application and other published art work that would dispute SP's application and they did not list these in their application which they are required to do. Was this intentional maybe, maybe not but it is their responsibility.

SP knows the patent system [but they are not the only ones either] and how to take advantage of it. I think they are being short sighted and in the end will be doing a disservice to the sport of PB in the long run.

I know they are trying to stay a successful business and a business that does not grow will wither and die. I just think they are taking advantage of the system at the cost of the whole industry.

Other companies have done the same thing as SP and I really think a neutral watchdog organization to help protect the industry is due.

[thundertb]

Agreed Scott, you keeping that bottle warm? And Captains Retreat is in Feb, you still game? I mean I really can't teach paintball ethics to the new generation of team captains now can I?

[crooked butt doctor]

Originally Posted by jhall9701

OK, here is how we little guys should look at it!


If you are walking down the street and find the winning ticket to a 37 million dollar lotto what do you do.

Of course I will take the money!

Why, because some fool failed to check his or lost his lotto ticket.

Am I wrong?

No

The one who failed to capitalize or secure his ticket is wrong.

This is what Smart Parts has done!

Smart Parts is only doing good business.

Other than that, You all are just being childish!

true. except smart parts didn't find the lotto ticket on the ground... they watched somebody drop it and then didn't say anything about it. or, better yet, they lifted out of the guy's back pocket and laughed all the way to the bank.

i am sorry that you feel that it is childish to disagree with unethical business practices, but you need to stop kidding yourself. i haven't seen anything childish posted in this thread thusfar, and i'm not sure what you're seeing.

smart parts is not doing good business, they are doing profitable business. there is a difference my friend. they are manipulating a flawed patent system in an underhanded and shady manner. the end result is an paintball industry that is limited in its ability to produce products freely in a competitive market. like Grendel mentioned, its monkey-see monkey-do out there, and other companies are going to start locking down every innovative idea they have, thereby removing the possibility of some other manufacturer taking a good idea, changing it slightly and improving it. that, my friend, is how it should work. we as paintball players will be the ones who suffer from these patent games.

[SirRod]

Tb:
It is funny how some adolescents whip them selves into a frenzy over little or nothing. I'm referring to the PBN group. I read your take on what several different bulletin boards are saying. You have your "Opinion" as I have mine. I respect your opinion as I hope you respect others. After all our fathers fought and died to give us the right to voice our beliefs, misconceptions, and truths. One mans truth is another mans differing opinion. Right now our brothers, sons and daughters are fighting for the rights and freedoms for you and I to be safe in our homes and speak our minds. Even if we are wrong. Its our right to have an Openion...LOL
But whom ever thinks this forum is a wild eyed bore gnashing its tusks at SP needs to read some on PBN...They are ready to "Lynch" SP. I agree with Sgt. Hall. Its a game of business football if you fumble the ball and the other team picks it up and runs with it... more power to um but we all still don't have to like it..."Go University of So. Fla. Bulls"
As Iv said in other threads "we always do what we say were not going to do"...Btw my youngest son graduates from Army basic training in a week...God Bless America and the truth for which it stands...

[jhall9701]

Sir Rod,

Does your son have plan!

[Litespeed]

Originally Posted by thundertb

Actually then why go through the three boards just helping whip into a frenzy. The 'civilized' manner was that no one truly disagreed here so it has rocked on a little differently then in other boards. And regardless of what you may believe over 1000 people a day read my site, the majority don't comment. With this blog over 1800 hits so far today and counting so I wonder?

Regarding blog hits, people always want to read something "shocking". I'm not sure "hits" really make your case.

gfgjester was not exactly "agreeing", but no flaming in here! gfgjester is a great guy, we just slightly disagree on this one. Oh well. I'm not sure what happened on MCB to call you out, but your blog is "over the top"

If you would like to check TB, my callsign is the same for all three sites...Pbjunkie, McB, and PBNation. I did not "frenzy" persons on PBNation, search for yourself. Speaking of "frenzy", does your derisive blog not intend to do this very thing for the "SP faithful".

Do I post on PBnation? Occasionally, but I can't recall a post i've made outside the ICD threads. I don't really discuss much that is not marker specific.

That is all from me...PM me if you like. I do not want to lose focus from the topic at hand. And if you truly read my posts, you would have read that my point of view was to fix the patent system from a larger standpoint than pinpointing SP.

And please remember, nobody on PBJunkie openly called you out on this topic, but indeed the opposite was the case on your blog. I only linked it.

[thundertb]

And I did not come in here swinging for the fences as I have in other forums. Temperance with temperance, so forth and so on. The SP faithful if there is such a thing do not need my site to whip anyone up. In fact not one of the faithful as you may say have used my website as a point of reference, however several of my detractors have.

As for fixing the patent system because of paintball, as I have said in other forums there is more at stake here then Smart Parts. You going to beat up Pfizer or Haliburton or Bayer? I mean even Dell, Palm, Microsoft, Apple and the RIAA can't get patent reform but angry paintball players are going to do it, eh? Good luck!

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by thundertb

...As for fixing the patent system because of paintball, as I have said in other forums there is more at stake here then Smart Parts. You going to beat up Pfizer or Haliburton or Bayer? I mean even Dell, Palm, Microsoft, Apple and the RIAA can't get patent reform but angry paintball players are going to do it, eh? Good luck!

"...Nothing ventured nothing gained..." It does not hurt to try. I've actually been doing my research too and there are many advocate groups for other industries that actively wrestle with the USPTO and have seen some minor success, though much of their efforts seem to be of no avail. As you said there are a lot of problems with the patent system and I do not expect that we are going to greatly effect the system to the point of reform. Instead I think we have to become savy of the ways and processes of the current system and try to prevent individuals and companies from "slipping" things through the existing system and taking credit for what they did not innovate. It might not be the best solution but it is better than sitting on your hands and complaining.

No one can be the advocate for the ills of the world. You have to pick and choose those battles that you feel strongly about and do something. I've always been a firm believer that it is better to do something and be wrong then do nothing. If you are wrong you can do something about it to fix it, if you do nothing well....you did nothing.

[Litespeed]

Speaking of Bayer TB, aren't your hands hurting from all the typing replies in all these "unintelligent forum posts that are full of hearsay and conjecture", on top of you lengthy blog? LOL

You sir didn't swing for the fences in here, but I do believe that was your intent in the blog. Again, I just didn't see the point in calling out entire forum sites for what was mostly civilized discussion in McB and PBJunkie. PBNation? no comment, but i'm not going to argue the point. Your certainly entitled to your opinion, no questions, but i believe some of the harsh response may have been due to your less than stellar comments.

Hey, any 501c might not be successful as you advocate, but it doesn't mean you do not try. Again, SP isn't the only one playing games here, they are just making it a trend.

I think we can all agree it will be interesting to see how all this plays out!

[crooked butt doctor]

Originally Posted by thundertb

And I did not come in here swinging for the fences as I have in other forums. Temperance with temperance, so forth and so on. The SP faithful if there is such a thing do not need my site to whip anyone up. In fact not one of the faithful as you may say have used my website as a point of reference, however several of my detractors have.

this is not an attack on you sir, just an observation.

i have to tell you man, for a guy who devotes a paragraph to
"professionalism," you sure seemed to have no problem referring to people as "bitches," and "stupid," simply because they disagree with you. you also referred to the "internet tough guy." is that not you in a nutshell? tough talk on a keyboard??
i don't think anything that has been said here would drop IQ points, and i don't believe anything said here has been childish, not one person has ventured so far as to claim that SP was the only company doing this. In reference however to your seemingly flawless perception of yourself, before you go flinging shit at people claiming a higher intellectual ground, you may want to proof read your blogs. as a member of this little community, or a "bitch," if you will, i found more than a handful of errors in your blog, and thats amazing considering that the things i contribute to this forum would drop your IQ 20 points.

lets start over.

maybe try being civil.

i do think you are right, many people have portrayed smart parts as an evil empire and have pretty much attributed the demise of paintball to their patent games. i am sure there are many companies in the industry who use similar methods and get much less negative buzz. but i don't think that it is any secret that SP has used loopholes to benefit at the expense of other companies, and while technically legal, and profitable, i do not think its an honest way to earn a dollar. agree or disagree?