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Heh..."animals have died eating remnants of paintball pellets". My pet pig eats all of the ones we drop when we play and she's as helthy as a... well...a...pig. We also still have deer, turkey and OWLS.

Please kdiddy63 take no offence at this but DOG's have died from eating paintballs...but thies were whole paintball.
Pet Owners Beware: Paintball Is No Game For Dogs
The deer won't eat them they eat acorns, grasses ect. Turkeys might...OWL will never eat paintballs because they like live animals for food, paintballs don't fall into the live catagory.
I read on several web forums about people bantering about paintball toxicity in dogs.
They are adimently pi**ed off and are trying to do any and everything to the manufactures. Just google "Dogs eating paintballs" and you will find them.
Thier is something about the polygyclolate that is toxic to dogs like chocolate is. In small amounts its ok but when overdosed it causes dehydration...this can be as little as 15 or 20 paintball and it all depends on the weight and health of the animal. Pigs can eat and digest ugly discusting dead things kinda like Turkeybuzzards do its something about there stomachs abilty to ward off toxins...dogs will eat anything. Cell Phones, hair brushes, ect.


My take on this is: If this is close to where the fires are thier will not be any residence left to complain.

People always want to find something to complain about and need to tag it on something that is something that the majority of people have no experiance with and will hopefully not cause a rukus.

My pit bull ate them. Didnt hurt her in the least. Now of course she was too dumb to get sick. I have only ever seen her snatch up one or two at the most however. Matter of fact Black Cat ate them as well. He wasnt too smart either. It did give him the craps.

And Sir Rod, you have never met Sir Raymond from D-Day. His dog, Heinz has his own set of custom K-9 paintball googles. He is on the field quiet a lot at CDP. He is smart enough to not eat paintballs however.

JesterTLS
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Anyway you can get pictures of the dog with his goggles, I'm curious lol

1up 4 lyfe
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I've been corresponding with one of the people who generated the advertisement and asked her to please present her side of things here, as well as provide more specific answers to my questions. Below are the e-mails for you guys to review. Read from the bottom up. I've invited her to come here and state her problems.

Jester


Dear Ms. Guerini

And who allowed the field to be placed there? Who was there first; you or the field? Does your local government have provisions for permitting and did the field secure an operating license? Why would people ride their horses in close enough proximity to an area that generates noises that could potentially spook the animals? Paintball marker discharge is a quite unique sound. A rider that takes his horse towards that kind of noise may be questioned as to why they would do such a thing if there was a chance that animal would scare. If it was some type of a legal “animal keeping zone” then how could a paintball field be allowed there in the first place? Who determines compatible use? Again, your information is incomplete. You said that animals have been injured as a result of this field. Please state the details of this. And natural owl habitats being destroyed? Please give me more detailed and verifiable information.

I am a journalist for the largest paintball publication in the world, so I’m not someone just trying to yank your chain. You’ll find that the majority of paintball players do have a social conscience and have no desire to destroy the environment nor injure people or animals. But please understand that we are used to fighting against the stigma and misconceptions that go along with paintball. I am placing this correspondence in one of the biggest recreational paintball forums on the Internet; www.pbjunkie.com. Please feel free to go to that site and read the comments on your advertisement.

I also welcome you to make your own comments. As you have given no specifics as to the ownership or management of this field that you’re at odds with, I am unable to contact them to secure their side of the issue. I welcome the return of any of this information.

Sincerely yours,

Jes Sharai

Jes "Jester" Sharai
Paintball 2Xtremes Magazine Paintball2Xtremes Online - 2007 Relaunch
www.pbjunkie.com

From: Nina Guerini [mailto-@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:49 PM
To: Jes Sharai
Subject: Re: Ban

People are injured riding horses from loud noises that scare them. My horse was injured in his own yard and almost injured my farrier whose livlihood depends on his physical ablility to work. He put a paintball field in an animal keeping zone. I live at least 1000 feet away and NO he is trying to force his NOISE and yelling and screaming on us. It is not a compatible use for the area and it disturbs every living thing. Your paintball people forcing this use in areas not compatible with it's noise is giving your sport a bad name! Could I raise pigs in a condo complex? We all, by law, have a right to peaceful enjoyment of our homes. No one has the right to disturb the peace of others, especially for their own profit and gain.

Jes Sharai <jessharai@charter.net> wrote:

Dear Save our Valley,

Your information condemning the paintball field in your area is quite untrue. Paintball is one of the safest sports in ther world. More people are injured in a year riding horses, bicycles and from dog bites than from paintball. They are not as loud as you make them out to be. Obviously, you have a bone to pick with someone who plays paintball in your area. To condemn paintball as violent is to show ignorance of the sport. I'll bet you played tag as a kid. I'll bet the kids in your neighborhood play tag. Paintball is a form of tag and is not intended to be some paramilitary militia splinter group as you make it out to be. Bright colored jerseys and pants are not military.

If you are not against paintball as an activity, then why do you malign it as you do? And I'd like to know what came first... the neighborhood or the paintball field?

Maybe if you tried to work with the field instead of shutting it down, you could reach an amicable solution that would meet both parties needs.

Sincerely yours,

Jes Sharai

A line from a rap song comes to mind" I want what I want and I don't care who I hurt".
I wrote a long post about this woman but felt it would be too enflamitory to post.

"JesterTLS said"
"And Sir Rod, you have never met Sir Raymond from D-Day. His dog, Heinz has his own set of custom K-9 paintball googles. He is on the field quiet a lot at CDP. He is smart enough to not eat paintballs however."

JesterTLS:
In on of the eariler APG's back in the Nintys there was a picture of a guy holding a set of original Jt Goggles in front of his German Shepard's face.
No I haven't met him or his dog. Maybe next year.

Players,

This is the correspondence I've exchanged with Ms. Guarini concerning the land in CA. She has been more than willing to present the info to us. While I can's say who is right or wrong, it does look like she has a legitimate problem that should be solved legally. If her information is correct, then you could expect the local government to take action and hold the field owner accountable for his actions. And again, I stress that I have stated her side of the story as she has presented it to me. I welcome the field owner to do the same in this forum. Maybe there's some players who have been to the field that can comment. I does stand to reason that everyone is not on the level in general. Just because someone owns a paintball field, it does not automatically deem him above reproach. I'm very interested in seeing how this matter resolves.

Thanks!

Jester

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Thank you, Ms. Guerini. I appreciate your candor and willingness to post all of the information. It does seem as though you have a legitimate legal challenge. If things are as you state, then the local government should indeed give you remedy. I wish you luck in your endeavor.

Sincerely yours,

Jes Sharai

Jes "Jester" Sharai

Nina Guerini [mailto:@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:31 PM
To: Jes Sharai
Subject: RE: Ban

I'm sorry, I got so involved trying to make my position and circumstance known in the last email I forgot to answer your question as to who this person is. Joseph Stein, Thepaintballshop.net. He would be the one you may want to verify his statements with as he has not been quite truthful in what he's written for publication. I guarantee you I can and would verify my allegations. He has a whole lot at stake here financially and he has made some serious bad decisions when he purchased that property. You can't put a square peg in a round hole!! Nina

Dear Sir,
I am refreshed to see there are a few people truly interested in the real story here.
I have been enlightened to the plight of the true players of the sport and am working on a public apology for the misinformation in our newspaper "plea" for help. At the time we placed the ad, my neighbor and myself have been so horrified after an entire year of dealing with this issue and the government entity involved here, we neglected to really investigate the facts. We take full responsibility for the words, however, we did not put this together. No excuse, however, for the most part it is correct to our personal experiences. My horse was injured and almost my farrier as he got startled when the noise started and my farrier had his hammer on the downswing of a nail in his shoe.
When Mr. Stein purchased the property, there were a pair of breeding barn owls living there and he could have at least made some attempt to relocate them or tell a neighbor before tearing down the building. I am a recently retired real estate broker of 20+ years owning my own company in La Habra Heights, Ca. Southwest Real Estate. Prior to purchasing my raw land here, which closed escrow a couple of months before Mr, Stein purchased his property, I did my "due dilligence" in going to the county seat and investigating the land uses here. I have signed, dated (4/18/06) paperwork from the county and this land use in not allowed without a conditional use permit. Mr. Stein, contrary to what he claims, did not do the same and purchased a property, overpriced at that, on a blue line wash, and immediately removed protected trees, installed a professional court and proceeded to run (I have information and truly believe) a paintball business for profit. He got no permits, and still has no permit to date and our complaints to code enforcement were stonewalled for some time. My neighbor he refers to as wanting to bust his head open or whatever his words were and his "fear" for his safety is totally unfounded. Mr. Mason, my neighbor and his wife have lived in this beautiful, peaceful valley that I, as a newer resident refer to as "living in Gods' hand", is an insulin dependent amputee and his wife, 70 years old has a heart condition. I doubt anyone would fear him. In fact I personally witnessed Mr. Stein (along with my other neighbor who lives further away behind me with a 13 acre plot of land between us) charge past a police lady, Mitchell was her name, in a rage to challenge Mr. Mason. The landuse that Mr. Stein (who only comes here to paintball if for more than 1 hour) purchased his home in is zoned RL, rural living which is also rural residential with an agriculture overlay. We are also in an improvement level 3 (transitional, rural which will probably turn more residential in about 10 years) this is not my explanation but that of the county as you can check for yourself since the codes are online. Paintball, although not listed as a specific sport but all common sense tells one it "requires a remote location" would be no problem in a level 4 or 5 zone. The most blatent abuse here is "animal keeping/rural residential/agricultural" zone is NOT a compatible use with paintball. We didn't move here to live in a warzone. It is loud and I have a (not the best one) video I'm trying to upload on utube for everyone. Please know that my integrity is very important to me and that thru hard work, careful planning and doing business in such a way that afforded me the ability to retire at an earlier age with my beloved animals, brought me to this valley 2 years ago. This situation has disturbed my plans immensely and has cost me money I had not budgeted for. I have lost the thrill of building my little ranch on my 6 acres, What was once pleasure is now pain and I do most of my work myself. I also have information and believe that Mr. Stein was run out of Chino or somewhere around there where he tried to do this to other people and it took them 4 years to stop it. I now truly fear for my safety and that of my animals and all I can say about the county, who is about to be slapped with a large, large lawsuit because they won't or can't show me in the codes where this is allowed and continue to lie and cover up, which is about to blow up in their face anytime now, is "abuse under color of authority". I am also a certified paralegal and insurance broker. I know how to read. I am happy to answer any questions you may have and I HONESTLY believe Paintball is a great sport. I have nothing against it whatsoever...........It just doesn't belong here in an animal keeping zone, and my reading of the codes says it's illegal without a permit. Please know that Mr. Mason and myself and several other neighbors just want to enjoy our valley and our animals and our stars and peace and quiet which we are entitled to by law. I shouldn't have to mitigate Mr. Steins' damages because he can't use his property for his intended use. I read an email from an empassioned paintball enthusiast (who wasn't espousing threats and rediculous things) that truly loves the sport and because I read that with all his passion and devotion to the game, I'm writing this to you. There are good and bad in ALL sports and I hope you truly are what you represented to me because I see a real need to police your own before paintball never has a chance to rise to the level I can now see it deserves. Thank you for your time to inquire.

Respectfully,

Nina Guerini

gfgjester,good job on showing both sides of this story.