Wiping

[crooked butt doctor]

i think we're all on the same page... it sounds like 50 different ways to say the same thing. be honest, punish the dishonest.
on a side note- i totally understand the "thugball" theory and for the most part agree with it, but i blame it less on bling and rap music and more on the parents of today's youth.

i take it on a case by case basis- ie> those dumbasses on the myspace thread, who knows what music they listen to, or what celebs they idolize?? probably more so than rappers, its pro paintballers who are known to cheat habitually. there is the root of the problem. i guarantee that wiping would be much less rampant if the pros were condemning it as a cowardly and bullsh!t stunt to pull on the field. maybe it would happen still, but kids wouldn't be boasting about it online at least. i don't find the root of this cheating, unsportsmanlike mentality to rest nearly so much on the entertainment media. i listen to ALL types of music, to include rap, which i am actually listening to right now, and the idea of cheating disgusts me. does that make me less of a paintballer, less honorable, or a thug? nope.

my parents gave a sh!t about me. thats the difference.
these ****in stupid little kids, presumably WEALTHY, seeing as they play speedball which is costly, have big arrogant egos that need to be crushed. these egos are the product of sh!t parents who throw money at all of their children's wants, thereby instilling in them no sense of work ethic, no need for morals, nor consideration for those around them, on or off the playing field.

personally, i will never judge a person until i have interacted with them, but i watch people a lot, and my initial impression of people is rarely incorrect. the moment i arrive at say, for example, PBC for a scenario, i set up camp, and i start mingling with other teams, some old allies, others new to me. the entire time, i'm constantly observing those around me. i often get a good feel for people before i ever hit the field, and i'm rarely surprised by what i see on the field based on what i see off the field.

thats just my 2 cents.

[se7en9057]

yeah I can see how that would be wierd. LOL.
NOPE I'M NOT HIT "bang bang bang bang" OK i'm hit now thanks!

[the boss]

Jester, I totally think the problem with these people is the way they were raised with no respect for authority God or country. This is a case of, you are in time out little Johnnie when it should have been fetch me the belt. These guys have no social skills or respect for them selves (note under wear ) or any one or thing , I think it's a generation thing. At my field you are caught wiping and we think it was on purpose you are out for the day, get caught twice out for life, well here I go ranting again, you get the idea.

[SirRod]

Boss Id hate to be that NAIL!!!

You said it all in the first sentence...

[gfgjester]

You KNOW it, Boss! I had my ass wore out with cowboy belts, fly swatters, yardsticks, those hard clear plastic Goody's harbrishes, slippers, shoes, you name it. The only time I got "timeout" was when I was ordered to do a back to the wall, deep knee bend and hold it for about an hour. Or kneel on the concrete/asphalt with back straight and heels together. (Catholic school!) And I know how to respect my elders AND other individuals. I think most of us over 40 do, not to exclude those under as there are exceptions.

If we take a good portion of all of what everyone has said and mix it together, we'll get a good picture. But I guess no one can fit the exact mold. I just know that I can't stand cheating and there is just no excuse for it BAR NONE! I applaud any efforts to curtail and stop the wiping. Banning from field and all.

My God! LSU almost killed me last night. Now we got the stupid stinkin' Saints trying to rip the still beating heart out of my carcass! Football is self torture!AAAAHAHAHHHAHAHHHHH!

[Bagheera]

Many years ago (when the only top of the line guns were Automag and 'Cocker) we used to play Outlaw Ball, and the only refs we had were ourselves. Everyone in our group would randomly split into two teams, and nearly always played elimination. Everyone followed the rules of masks always on, safety first, and NO WIPING. Everyone except one guy, who was a total moron (such as unloading on an eliminated player.)

It got to the point where this guy was constantly wiping shots, so the only way to be sure was to get a mask hit on him, because then he couldn't fire back then wipe. So, a couple of us got reputations as "headhunters", but hey, there was no doubt he got nailed with paint all over his mask.

So, after acquiring his reputation, at every game that he came to he was automatically hunted and headshotted by all the best marksmen in our group, and subsequently quit our group of outlaws, which made for more enjoyable games for the rest of us.

I recommend mask shots for wipers. After garnering enough attention from your best shooters, they'll eventually stop coming.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Many years ago... they'll eventually stop coming.

love it!

[Skeeter]

Two things here:

1. We are preaching to the choir, so what we say is only reinforcing what we think. Fine, but not helping or providing a solution.

2. “Vigilante Justice” is not the solution. BBing or overshooting a wiper only perpetuates the problem. Many times, the player will just “not get it” and will keep playing, with their old habits and the problem never resolves. The only thing that I know that will work is to BANISH players from the playing establishment. One case of wiping (witnessed by a referee, on the clock) gets a lifetime ban. Simple and oh-so very effective. The threat of banishment is enough to keep the vast majority of players in line. Who wants to loose out on their hobby, one which they have probably invested time, money and friendships into? We have a list of names (behind the counter) in our registration window, of "banished" players. We know the names, and usually what they look like. If they are on the list, and try to register, we walk them to the street.

PBC is lucky. We are big enough that loosing a “bad” player here or there does not affect our business. The end result is a better playing experience for ALL honest players and a net increase in players on the field. The vast majority of players want to play fair, with good sportsmanship and integrity. If a few wipers have a negative impact on the honest players, we loose the honest players and keep the cheaters. Not the dynamic that I can live with. Banish the cheaters, and keep the honest players (and their friends, relatives, classmates…) at the field. We have also discovered a neat side effect of kicking out the cheaters. They go elsewhere to play (in essence, where we keep our trash) and destroy the reputation of our competition, by default. Only the cheaters, whiners, wipers, poor sports, thieves and the like to “that other place”. We kick out the trash, they go somewhere else and drive the good, honest players back to us. It is a very simple dynamic: Kick out the cheaters & “bad” people and your business will prosper.

Too bad that not many other field owners understand how it works.

[ItalianAnaconda]

I like what Bagheera and Skeeter said. Both good ideas.

When I played paintball, I did a similar thing as Bagheera. We played our own game with no Refs. Everyone that played was honest except for one. Unlike Bagheera's trouble player, ours learned very quickly to stop.

We did three things to him (now two of the three might not be allowed at fields. Actually one for sure will not be allowed)

1. He was hunted by our good players
2. He was shot multiple times if caught doing it. We never stopped shooting until he called out.
3. Sometimes we got frustrated with him and just shot him in the prep area (we made sure he had his mask on first)

Lol he also had an older brother that ruffed him up when he was the one that shot him and ended up whiping but that was on his own accord.

[Skeeter]

Originally Posted by ItalianAnaconda

1. He was hunted by our good players
2. He was shot multiple times if caught doing it. We never stopped shooting until he called out.
3. Sometimes we got frustrated with him and just shot him in the prep area (we made sure he had his mask on first)

Lol he also had an older brother that ruffed him up when he was the one that shot him and ended up whiping but that was on his own accord.

Still not the right approach. You mean well, and what you were doing seemed to you, like you were teaching him a lesson. To him, not so much...

Tell him, as a group, that if he continued to wipe, then he would not be allowed to play with your group. No questions!!! One "wipe" and he was finished! Unless he owned the land you were playing on, he would have NO say in the matter. End of story. At that point, the lesson would be learned.

It really is this simple. The fear of loosing out on time with friends, and a hobby/sport that someone loves is enough to motivate them to do the right thing. Play with integrity, or don't play at all. SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!! The vigilante justice system does not work in this sport. It teaches the wrong lessons to everyone involved, on both sides. People that cheat are not welcomed. Short and simple. Take pride in kicking out cheaters, not overshooting or BBing them. Even if it your best friend, kick them out of the group, or off the field. Don't be associated with cheaters in any way.