Get Agendas Out of the Class Room

[ace007]

I believe in schools teaching and reenforcing the idea of good citizenship and generally being an asset to your community. However, I actually want schools to stay away from teaching beliefs. Now if it helps, we can remove the word "agenda" and just talk about what the schools should & shouldn't teach.

As an example, I'll use the hot issue of gays as an example, but please realize this goes far beyond that one issue.

Here's my stance on gays & some others: Teach kids to treat everyone with respect and respect other people's opinion.

But the schools should stop right there!

Don't use the classroom to teach that a gay person is normal or even abnormal. Leave that to the parents to decide what the kid gets taught.

Doing it this way doesn't cause a conflict between what is taught at school & at home, unless someone wants to be a tail hole & teach their kids to lynch gays, blacks, whites, Jews, etc. Since that stuff is against the law anyway, there's good reason to go ahead & teach the respecting of others, even if they are very different than you.

Also, it keeps the school system from being in the buisness of being a judge of all social right & wrong. (using same example of gays) Once upon a time, gays were considered so wrong that they were denounced virtually by everyone & in ways that went beyond the sex acts involved. Now, gays are more accepted in virtually all venues. But I maintain that what kids should have been taught the same stuff in both eras: Simply respect all people (the live & let live thing).

Of course, certain people don't deserve even basic respect (child molestors, serial killers, ...), but that should go without saying, but I did anyway.

Now does anyone see anything wrong with this?

[crooked butt doctor]

not a thing. i agree 100%

[tate0301]

sounds right on to me

[Simple_Condolences]

"What you put in your ass is your own business."
-Fire Chief, I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry

[Grendel]

Well that "debate" was a flop where is the dissention? Buhler...?

Okay I'll be the devils advocate. Site some specific "agendas" not individual opinions but actual conspiracy based agendas. Who in lets say SC education system says teachers and administrators have to teach "socialized government" is a better system or you must teach from an "athiestic view point"?

Do not get me wrong there always has and always will be individual agendas in any public forum [schools included] but where is the systemic enforced conspiritorial agendas you allude to?

[ace007]

Originally Posted by Grendel

Okay I'll be the devils advocate. Site some specific "agendas" not individual opinions but actual conspiracy based agendas. Who in lets say SC education system says teachers and administrators have to teach "socialized government" is a better system or you must teach from an "athiestic view point"?

Do not get me wrong there always has and always will be individual agendas in any public forum [schools included] but where is the systemic enforced conspiritorial agendas you allude to?

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We can take the word agenda out of it, because it's not really part of my point. My point really being that kids are being taught things that they shouldn't be taught--which is made worse by the fact that there are things that they should be taught that most aren't, such a financial information. But to me an agenda is simple-- If you deal with other people & can or hope to influence them, you have an agenda. All teachers, for example, should have an agenda that includes inspiring their kids to learn. Coaches hope to get their players to do their best. Agenda tends to take on a negative conitation, but agendas in general are necessary to keep moving forward.

What's going on in this country is bigger than a "gay agenda" and bigger than simply what's going on in public schools. The main thing going on is Political Correctness. When cornered, PC advotcates will sometimes say that PC is bout being polite. But if that was true, well, they'd use the word polite.

A current thing right now is health care. I hear that 43 million people in the U.S. don't have it and that's bad. I don't know if that includes illegals or not, but I suspect it does. If so, you can subtract at least 1/4 from that number. Anyway, all the talk is about giving everyone health care. No talk about if the country can afford it (as is, we can't) or where the money is gonna come from (higher taxes), or if we should try refroming the current system before going socialist. AND absolutely no talk about the choices indiviuals make and taking responsibility for them. Why? PC!!

I have a relative that had the $$$ backing of their parents to go to college. She didn't go(fine). She partied for several years, finally decided she needed a "career". So, again on her parents dime, she went to school & became a massage therapist. Now she made a decent living at it, but no benefits-- this she knew from before taking the classes. Then she gets pregnant and guess who pays the bill? I and other tax payers did. Anyway, she made a choice to not pursue a career that had heath care benefits.

Political Correctness is about taking a ligitimate argumnet / point of view and making it socially unacceptable to say or write it, thus ending or minimizing whatever power the statement would have. This is important, because about 20 years ago, someone figured out the essence of the following: Using the Gay thing again, Gays don't need to be in control, in the majority, elected to office, or prove anything-- they just need to convince enough people that PC is a good thing and that saying anything negative about them, no matter how true, hurt them in some way and therefore was unacceptable. But PC ultimately is about gaining power.

Anyway, having done that, thousands of people evetually start doing thier work for them--never (almost) in the name of gays (or whatever), but in the name of "fairness" & "not hurting anyone". This can cause real harm. Our own stupid government allowed Muslims in to our military (not necessarily a bad thing in itself), but instead of making sure they never got to be involved where their loyalties get tried, they let them go over to places like Iraq where they have murdered their fellow soldiers at least once and been caught betraying their government at least twice.

Anyway, among those people are often people employed by the Department of education at the federal level, the state superintendent of education, and those in control at the district office. In Greenville county of S.C., the local school board is also controlled by liberals. Currently in S.C., all of the state level personnel are either liberal or controlled by liberals. In my county (Greenville) there isn't a ray of sunshine form the Fed level all the way to the school house. My contention, by the way, is that all real liberals are pretty much sold out to PC. You don't PC at all among conservatives.

Now I may add more to this latter, but does this answer your question? I'm thinking somewhat yes & somewhat no, but I can add more details latter, such as information on the books the district uses for individual classes.

[docrock]

There are many things that can be done for national healthcare. Make businesses pay what they pay into individuals health plans to the government instead. You think it would lead to increased taxes. Many people pay $200 to $400 a month for their premiums. You'd no longer pay that so suddenly that increase in taxes would actually lead to more money in your pocket when you add back that money paid into your pay check.

We could remove the funding paid to pharmaceutical companies by the government for research and put it into the payment of healthcare. Keep in mind we give funds for research then allow the private company to copyright the med and make tons of money.

The government could produce generic meds for pennies.

The government could make medical professionals paid government workers and set a standard wage. The governmental employees could avoid malpractice insurance by preventing people from suing their employees.

The list goes on and on.

Also keep in mind...the men and women that protect your freedoms...guess what they have a socialistic medical model and have had forever.

[ace007]

Originally Posted by docrock

Also keep in mind...the men and women that protect your freedoms...guess what they have a socialistic medical model and have had forever.

Dr. Phil here: How's that working for you? (you being active & retired)

I agree with your statements Doc. Allowing people to purchase health insurance from any provider in the country would also help a lot. In S.C., hospitals have to get permission before purchasing major equipment or even to open a new E.R., which limits competition--in fact the way that stuff is appoved or not is based a the faulty theory that you only need just enough for the local population & that will keep costs down. In fact, you need whatever hospitals are willing to install, creating competition.

In fact, I just had an MRI. It was located in a trailer an 18 wheeler would pull. Why? Because it gets around the State's rules. They told me that since that had a constant backlog of 2 weeks work, they were getting approval to install MRI units inside of the hospital. That's the kind of red tape our medical community deals with.

Of course, Doc is a Doc, so he knows this stuff I'm sure.

Keep in mind that I was using it as an example of how PC keeps a discussion on an important topic very narrow. I believe we can make serious headway within our current fairly free market system. My thing is, all everyone in power is driving for is univerasl health care. No disscusions about anything else related to it. And mark my word, there will be a debate in congress when the time soon comes, but there won't be any emphasis on true free markets, etc that could be used to keep costs down. If that happens, I'll be surprised.

[socoj2]

We could remove the funding paid to pharmaceutical companies by the government for research and put it into the payment of healthcare. Keep in mind we give funds for research then allow the private company to copyright the med and make tons of money.

The government could produce generic meds for pennies.

The government could make medical professionals paid government workers and set a standard wage. The governmental employees could avoid malpractice insurance by preventing people from suing their employees.

The list goes on and on.

You want socialized medicine...

a. Start a new thread.
b. Move to canada.

There is so much wrong in what you posted i could write a book about it, but again... This is leading another one off topic.

[Jukando]

Ace

Great thread, I will say what you are saying but in a different way. If you have opposing views with the liberal agenda or those who agree, they use PC to squash your own freedom of speech that is guaranteed by the constitution by labeling you a bigot for your opposing views whether or not you really are, because to them only their opinion counts. You see they teach PC but they do not teach the truth that everyone has the right to freedom of speech to express how they feel or what they believe. Today manners have been replaced by PC, and I wish manners would return.



I ask all the new young active duty kids coming into the shop who wrote the constitution and the declaration of independence and they do not know, or they get Jefferson right but for the wrong document, so sad, but yet they know all this other stuff, such a tragedy that this country is coming to this however if we have another awakening or reform, whatever it is called, within our country we can turn this all around.


I said I had go earlier because I have or am feeling sick, my big ears hurt, or just one, I have a headache and my temp is 101.9 and still rising. My wife is watching me because she told me to take a shower and go to bed 20 minutes ago.
Ace keep it up and I will vote for you one day!!!


Juk


Love all you guys, but not that way, lol…