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Old 01-30-2008, 03:25 PM
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My Unified whats wrong with the Government Thread

So ill just start out with numbered bullets:

1. Moving away from the constitution- In the 1940s, there was a move away from what was stronger state governments to more and more federal power. In addition to a lot of socialistic programs there where instituted during this time.

1b. Solution, Return to the roots of the constitution, the federal government is made to protect the country en mass and maintain a unified republic

2. Tort Law - Frivolous lawsuits have run rampant in the past 30 years. ie the guy that breaks into my house and slips and breaks his leg, then sues me for negligance.

2b. Tort reform - There should be 3 judges required for tort law, and the case should have to pass a stupidity check.

3. Patent and IP law - Smart parts, Verizon, Patent trolls etc.

3b. We are making good headway with this one since they have come out with the new obviousness rulling.

4. Social Programs - There is to much responsibility placed on people as a whole to prop up other people who have no desire to better themselves. Well-Fare, Social Security, im sure i could dig up another 40-50 programs.

4b. What did people do before the 1940s and these programs were instituted, The got help from their own support organizations, family friends. Or church. Well i guess the churchs are busy buying their leaders a 200k Bently flying Spur these days so i have to help out.

End Socialist Security, you have 2 options waive your right to pension, and manage your own money, B. you can only collect what you pay in, but its mandatory.

Well-Fare - Hand up NOT hand out if you go rolling into the well fare office with a $3k Louis Vitton bag driving your Escalade on 24s You OBVIOUSLY do not need government help regardless if you dont marry your babies daddy so you can get it.

5. Citizen apathy to wards what actually takes place in congress. How many bills do you understand or know what is attached to them? What about the voting record for your congressman/senator?

5b. There needs to be a website sponsored by both parties run by independant companies, that breaks down into laymans terms what a bill is doing who it will affect, What stuff is attached to it. And the voting record for your congressman/senator. Not only that, they should have to enter the REASON they are voting such and such a way for the bill.

There is my top 5, ill list others below.

6. Education, our education system is deplorable. And no i dont think paying teachers will make it that much better, *teachers in georgia atleast make and ass load* The main problem again is that low class families just see it as a free baby sitting, school requires parental involvement and time outside of the class room to be educational.

Next is curiculumn, its not that i want to descriminate, but 40% of a school year is spent in remediation of stuff children should have learned in the previous year. 55% of education is non academic, Ie PE, painting, music touchy feely classes. Classes that need to be taught and are not, Common sense *IM SERIOUS* Problem solving, Personal Finance * this should be a 2 year required class in high school. Other classes i would like to see are applied Sciences IE you take students from each part that they excel in group them together and let them work on a project:

1. English students - Write proposals and get an introduction into technical writing.
2. Science students - get introduced to actually scientific applications of knowledge whether it be mechanical, Civil, Electrical or a combination of things working together.
3. Math - Used every where.

This would teach group skills working together problem solving, troubleshooting, and a host of other skills of which there is just no method to teach currently. Some things have to be learned, they can not be taught.

7. Term Limits, 2 Terms for everything Politics should not be a career it should be a public service.

8. I would like to see a political candidate come out and state that his religion does not matter because he is going to follow the policy of the majority that elected him instead of playing to a religious faction.
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:35 PM
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and here is my breakdown- im a senior, so i can testify that i've been through hell on a CURRENT level.

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1b. Solution, Return to the roots of the constitution, the federal government is made to protect the country en mass and maintain a unified republic

5. Citizen apathy to wards what actually takes place in congress. How many bills do you understand or know what is attached to them? What about the voting record for your congressman/senator?

5b. There needs to be a website sponsored by both parties run by independant companies, that breaks down into laymans terms what a bill is doing who it will affect, What stuff is attached to it. And the voting record for your congressman/senator. Not only that, they should have to enter the REASON they are voting such and such a way for the bill.

There is my top 5, ill list others below.
the problem with that is that people dont under stand how the govt works, period. You need to educate them rather than give them some "laymans terms"

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Next is curiculumn, its not that i want to descriminate, but 40% of a school year is spent in remediation of stuff children should have learned in the previous year. 55% of education is non academic, Ie PE, painting, music touchy feely classes. Classes that need to be taught and are not, Common sense *IM SERIOUS* Problem solving, Personal Finance * this should be a 2 year required class in high school. Other classes i would like to see are applied Sciences IE you take students from each part that they excel in group them together and let them work on a project:

1. English students - Write proposals and get an introduction into technical writing.
2. Science students - get introduced to actually scientific applications of knowledge whether it be mechanical, Civil, Electrical or a combination of things working together.
3. Math - Used every where.

This would teach group skills working together problem solving, troubleshooting, and a host of other skills of which there is just no method to teach currently. Some things have to be learned, they can not be taught.
Good layout...for robots. Hate to break it to ya man, but those touchy feely classes are usually the ones that have more "real world" application than any others in school. I have yet to learn how to focus and be able to adapt to a rapidly changing situation in any math, science, history, or english that i've ever taken. Music however, has.

Also- it's not the schools job to teach your child common sense things such as personal finance or problem solving. However, on your issue of applied sciences there are classes like that, but your child usually has to show some kind of competency above average to be qualified, ask your school about the programs offered.

To the comment that only 5 percent is new academics- come to my govt class and tell me that again ^_^

Once again, your plans would work, but you'd have to have willing students who actually want to learn and wont just **** around. Probability of that happening: 2%
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:54 PM
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and here is my breakdown- im a senior, so i can testify that i've been through hell on a CURRENT level.


the problem with that is that people dont under stand how the govt works, period. You need to educate them rather than give them some "laymans terms"
Most people have a basic understanding of how government works. What they couldnt understand is if you gave them a bill let them read the whole thing and explain what it means and how it affects them. ITs also easier to do this the re-educate the populace.

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Good layout...for robots. Hate to break it to ya man, but those touchy feely classes are usually the ones that have more "real world" application than any others in school. I have yet to learn how to focus and be able to adapt to a rapidly changing situation in any math, science, history, or english that i've ever taken. Music however, has.

Also- it's not the schools job to teach your child common sense things such as personal finance or problem solving. However, on your issue of applied sciences there are classes like that, but your child usually has to show some kind of competency above average to be qualified, ask your school about the programs offered.

To the comment that only 5 percent is new academics- come to my govt class and tell me that again ^_^

Once again, your plans would work, but you'd have to have willing students who actually want to learn and wont just **** around. Probability of that happening: 2%

1. Granted its not, but god damn, Ive been in the professional world for 10 years, and good lord this is a skill that people sorely lack!

2. I didnt say 5 percent... I said less then 50% *if i didnt it was a typo...*

3. Students that dont listen and just **** around get stuck with other students who wont just like and **** around. Instead of holding back the rest of the group.

4. I was in the Accelerated math/science program in georgia schools it was boring. No projects, we just got to learn more and play with more potent chemicals in chemistry. WHen i said applied sciences, i meant given 2 kids in english, 2 kids in Science, and 2 math kids a project and let them see how they engineer proposals Schematics and blah blah blah.

5. My main point was that school curriculum is ****ing garbage. You can disagree, but all those garbage classes should be an elective i can choose not to take. Like foreign languages why this is a requirement is beyond me.
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