Put a fork in him, he is done

[JediMac0521]

Rags...What are you doing here at PBJunkie? I dont know you but looking at your post history...95% of your post are either promoting your product or political in nature. Now I am all about free speech and I have served my Country to defend the rights of people so they can voice their opinion. I wont argue politics with you either..your opinions are yours and mine..well you get the picture.

I just want to know why you come to a paintball forum and the only thing you bring to the table are debates? Are there no other places to go toe to toe with people about current events? I'm sure there are some depressing ass forums chock full of people just like you just waiting to debate all day. Now, dont get me wrong, I have seen some pretty in depth threads on here that truly show the diversity of the posters on Junkie...but those same posters actually talk about paintball as well. You do not seem to be capable of just chating about paintball and having a good time..or you just dont want to. Either way..makes for a miserable ass thread..I will hence forth ignore all threads that you feel the need to spread your knowledge.

Oh, thats just my opinion.

Have a nice day.

[gfgjester]

Gentlemen... I remind everyone to please do their best to maintain decorum. Another thing you may remember about the original thread on this topic was that it was locked down because it got out of hand.

Jester

[Ragtop1968]

Originally Posted by JediMac0521

I just want to know why you come to a paintball forum and the only thing you bring to the table are debates? Are there no other places to go toe to toe with people about current events?

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That was why I started talking about it in THIS FORUM. Why I continue it?

"Put a fork in him, this troop basher is done"

I guess that is the decorum that has to be preserved? gfgjester, do you remember that post that was allowed to stand?

[gfgjester]

Originally Posted by Ragtop1968

I guess that is the decorum that has to be preserved? gfgjester, do you remember that post that was allowed to stand?

It was locked down so there would be no additional "out-of-control" posting. And I do remember it quite well, as I was the one who initiated the thread.

But I will not allow this to happen again just so you can get in here and say "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" to your prior or current antagonists. You came back and started this up again because you're admittedly bitter about the last incident. You're like a rooster that drops in the middle of a wolf pack and says, "Hey Guys! Are you hungry? How about KFC?".

Every time that a political discussion-to-arguement starts here, the same thing happens. And every time it does, Dude, you seem to be at the center of it. To most of these guys you ARE a "troop basher". Some of them are "troops"! What do you expect? You literally bait them and you want them to be nice?

Get off your political high horse. Everyone knows that you're of far superior skills when it comes to riding the opposite side of the fence of the PBJ users. Please just give it a rest... If you want to argue so much, go to the foxnews.com forums. They live for it.

[crooked butt doctor]

...hilarious. decorum is what has kept me as friendly as i have been... this guy is a hoot.

he argues about arguing because nobody will argue with him.

[Ragtop1968]

I have never made this personal, just shared my views and NEVER shutdown (went crying to Junkie) anyone with an opposite view.

Yet, instead of valid arguments to support another view, all people same capable of doing is labeling. Let's see, because I believe we should have CRUSHED Al Qeada, I have been called everything from a Liberal to a terrorist supporter on here.

If you can't stand hearing a viewpoint that doesn't align itself with yours, MOVE ON.

[Ragtop1968]

Cheney interview explaining why removing Saddam would not be in our best interests.
YouTube - Cheney '94: Invading Baghdad Would Create Quagmire C-SPAN

[ace007]

Ok, I quickly scanned over this thread & I try to keep up with current events, etc. I don't know if this can be considered a reply to Rags or not, but I'll throw this out there & let Rags and anyone else comment on it.

Our war on terror-- To me this is really 2 things: 1. Pay back or bringing those responsible for 9-11 to justice / death. 2. Weaking terriorist abilitites ON AN ON-GOING basis in order to make our world safer. This includes putting in safeguards and updating those safeguards within our own borders. It seems to me that this will never end.

Calling this a war is more philosophy to me than reality. It might be better to call it "our defense of world wide freedom".

The war in Iraq: I agreed with the war in Iraq, but have disagreed with many parts of how it took place. After the first Gulf War, there was an agreement signed by Sadam Hu-sane. These agreements are similar to contracts. He broke that contract many times before we invaded and in fact, we discovered new ways he had broken it after we invaded. Since then, we have taken control of the country at the macro level and gotten rid of or killed Sadam, his 2 sons, and many of his right hand men.

The first problem, and I noticed this the very first time I heard it, was in justifing the war based upon WMDs. He had already violated the agreement, therefore the agreement no longer exsisted & therefore we had the right to go back in-UN or no UN. So then we spent who knows how much time & money looking for WMDs.

Another problem was in paying for the war. Despite the outcry it would have caused from OPEC, I see everything right about selling Iraq's oil to pay for our costs plus the costs of rebuilding Iraq. I understand the intention of our policiy, which was two-fold at least: 1. Demonsrate that we weren't all about oil 2. that we were nice people, willing to dig into out own pockets to help others. The problem is, they don't care & we're going broke. I know this will make everyone sick, but a UN task force could have been put together to oversee the accounting of all of this in order to get a little independent oversight. Still would piss OPEC off, but since when are they our friend?

Then there's the problem of a permanent government in Iraq. People say we're losing the war--I say what war? We alreay won the war, we're just trying to put things right before we leave. Setting up a democracy may very well be "a bridge too far" in our objectives. especially with a nation that doesn't understand freedom, but it's a noble effort.

On crushing Al Qeada-- I can see where it's possible to damper their abilities, but I don't see putting a complete end to this type of organization. However, if you could get freedom & democracy to stick in the area, then they become outcasts among their own people after that takes hold. But that would take years & years I would think. Perhaps it's just as important that OPEC, etc., understands that it makes buisness sense to have peace between us & that region. Cheap oil lessons the need & desire to end our dependence on their oil. Letting oil get expensive is a short term money boost for them, but once we take off that noose, it's permanent bad news for them.

I would add that's it's probably been a mistake to focus so many resources on Iraq (time, money, people). Iran needs a good bombing for example-- no need to send forces in -- just spank them real good from the air. Perhaps that's all we should have done with Iraq.

Also, I hear a lot of fussing because we don't control Iraq at the micro level. This is usually the "we're losing the war crowd". This is virtually impossible to do-- Hitler in all of his glory never control the countries he invaded at the micro level. The Romans, BTW, understood this very well thousands of years ago & would even allow a certain level of self-government by the people (of themselevs) that they ruled.

[Grendel]

Moved to the Politics/Religion forum within Chat. To all enjoy, been there on this issue have the T-Shirt to prove it need no more.

[gfgjester]

Originally Posted by Ragtop1968

I have never made this personal, just shared my views and NEVER shutdown (went crying to Junkie) anyone with an opposite view. If you can't stand hearing a viewpoint that doesn't align itself with yours, MOVE ON.

Yes you did. Your initial words did. You posted with the full intent of telling everyone that had argued with you in the first thread that you were right. My God, Man! Do you have so little to do that you wait for months to go back in a paintball forum and place retaliatory/arguementative posts that just start the same identical thing?

Originally Posted by Ragtop1968

US Intel: al-Qaida May Move Outside Iraq

I guess I am still bitter on how I was treated on PBJUNKIE for stating the obvious.

If it will make you feel better, "YOU WERE RIGHT". Maybe everyone here can reinforce this for you. You may have gotten that earlier in earnest had you not come in posting line item "I was right"s with a huge chip on your shoulder.

And no one here went "crying to Junkie". Had I wanted to shut this down at any time, it would have happened. I was dragged into this after reminding the users who were circling the wagons around YOU that they should maintain decorum. You saw fit to immediately throw that in my face with the "troop" comments.