One Forum to Rule them All!

[10-shot kid]

Something I recently posted over at "the other forum"

With the recent shinanigans that came up I found a question not yet adressed by anyone in the scenario community; will there ever again be one forum that is the go to place for national scenario paintball? Will we ever see something like the older forums, who had every serious player on a national basis who posted on the internet, come together into one forum.

Now I'm not saying that pbn pre BS was a true national group of scenario players, it was mainly NE based. The recent SGMA reports show though that the majority of paintball players who go online (given the e format of their survey) are in the NE. It's therefore fair to assume the majority of scenario players are in the NE. If you somehow knew where the core group was located according to this report you might also agree.

So I would say it's a fair statement that the PBN scenario section was as close to a national group as possible pre shinanigans. It's unclear at this point, in my opinion, what the long lasting effect of these incidents will be or if they will continue.

A national method of communication would obviously be benificial. First off we need greater solidarity in the scenario community. Apparently people want scenario to become the next big thing and without us ending the ridiculous in fighting I don't see this happening. I believe the only way to acheive this is not cross promotional sponserships or some cool tagline in a magazine but communication. With communitcation comes personalization and truth, we need that. The relitivly recent pacman dealy-o reinforces this viewpoint of communication between the regions.

What effects though would this have on the person supplying the means for communication? As we've recently seen an attempt to profit off of the control of these means will most likely occur. the more important question of the whole thing is in my opionon if our community could ever actually join up under one forum.

We are predisposed to fighting over pocket change, I seeked to point this out in numerous posts in the past. We like, believe it or don't, anamosity between groups yet we want to thinly veil this behind bs. In the NE alone look at the relationship between certain fields with the associated rederict and you'll find this to be true.

More recently people have begun to tire of this practice citing it, rightfully so, as lame drama politics. What we're now seeing is a very direct conflict between mass groups, the recent SE v. whoever is a perfect example. The apperance of unity has never been such in my opinion, now it's just apparent and easily triggered by small conflicts.

This leads to direct scruitiny which our community seems to fear more than anything. Almost no one wants to have people figure out what they lack at, or in some cases what they are best at. We like our ponds, lakes are friggen scary.

At the sametime the controll the actual players have over the masses is huge, way more than in any other section of our sport, and this power is a very dangerous thing when trying to bring everyone together. I'm not saying this power is inheriently bad or good, it just makes solidifing the masses expodentially difficult.

In making a national community you obviously need to have leaders. Leaders need to have power in order to be effective. Yet with the current alpha players we have and their relationship with each other there is inherriently both conflict and a mine field. Sure if guided by someone highly knowledgable in the makeup of the scenario community it might work but one wrong step, like the recent scenario ups, and you get a leg blown off. Metaphorically.

The end conclusion is that as a result of the factors I've talked on we place a huge amount of importance on the number of scenarios played. Our communities various diffrent goals and focuses that make it intrinsically difficult to manuever support this practice. Therefore the least held goal is the education of the newer players outside of the field. I don't think this is a huge horrible deal, as some people like to pretend to think, it's simply a fact.

discuss

[Brain]

I am confused.

[JediMac0521]

I too, am at a loss....?

[drewcif]

Thesis statement lol

Pbjunkie rocks, thats what i got out of this....

best scenario forum. period.

thats my two cents

[Junkie]

I'm a bit ignorant of the recent shenanigans on other forums however I don't think there will ever be "One forum to rule them all" simply because of what you stated about the animosity between groups. It's inevitable that some folks are just not going to get along with others so they will go elsewhere when they become uncomfortable.

On a national level the politics would be too much for any one person supplying the means of communication. My opinion of course. You would have to be wealthy to maintain such a community or else seek major sponsors/investors.

I'm also not aware of this ridiculous fighting you mention in the scenario community? I can tell you right now that the scenario community on this forum are all pretty much friends and the level of communication/coordination here makes it all that much better when you get to the field.

Of course maybe our community is too small to recognize the SE vs or the NE relationships between fields. The biggest issue I've seen in the SE for years (and it's getting worse) is when to schedule scenarios without stepping on the others feet, etc. Based on the growth I've seen in the past few years it's unavoidable now. We the player have a choice of 2 to 3 scenarios a weekend .

Not meant to be a plug but when PBjunkie.com went live 4 years ago the basic principle behind how things were going to operate were all based on "Common Sense". Treat others how you want to be treated. Take one look around and you will see how this community is run.

Even if it grew leaps and bounds down the road the infrastructure would stay the same. If you don't have the same outlook we have when it comes to our community don't let the door hit you in the ass...

[JediMac0521]

^^^^^Second.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Junkie

.. If you don't have the same outlook we have when it comes to our community don't let the door hit you in the ass...

LOL, Rich is my HERO...

pbjunkie is always my first and last stop when cruizing the web for pb stuff - major props to Rich, all the mods, and regular posters. It is certainly THE powerhouse in the SE for scenario intel and killer photos. Dont change a thing yall.

As for PBN.. a few sections on there are nice, but a lot of folks on there seem to make sport of flaming. I think in general it is a much younger croud as the older players move away from the silly antics that crop up frequently.

as for 10-shot-kid's post : I dont have a clue what he is driving at. Maybe if he could boil down his thesis to a bite sized point, and ditch the vent that goes with it.



drew: your suit?

[MrWizard]

as for 10-shot-kid's post :




This is a dog, not a chicken. Chicken's don't look like dogs. Who told you this was a chicken, son? Nice boy, but doesn't listen to a thing you say. You got a bum steer, son. I'm a chicken, not a schnook. You're wrong, son.

[geronimo]

Originally Posted by Junkie

I'm a bit ignorant of the recent shenanigans on other forums however I don't think there will ever be "One forum to rule them all" simply because of what you stated about the animosity between groups. It's inevitable that some folks are just not going to get along with others so they will go elsewhere when they become uncomfortable.

On a national level the politics would be too much for any one person supplying the means of communication. My opinion of course. You would have to be wealthy to maintain such a community or else seek major sponsors/investors.

I'm also not aware of this ridiculous fighting you mention in the scenario community? I can tell you right now that the scenario community on this forum are all pretty much friends and the level of communication/coordination here makes it all that much better when you get to the field.

Of course maybe our community is too small to recognize the SE vs or the NE relationships between fields. The biggest issue I've seen in the SE for years (and it's getting worse) is when to schedule scenarios without stepping on the others feet, etc. Based on the growth I've seen in the past few years it's unavoidable now. We the player have a choice of 2 to 3 scenarios a weekend .

Not meant to be a plug but when PBjunkie.com went live 4 years ago the basic principle behind how things were going to operate were all based on "Common Sense". Treat others how you want to be treated. Take one look around and you will see how this community is run.

Even if it grew leaps and bounds down the road the infrastructure would stay the same. If you don't have the same outlook we have when it comes to our community don't let the door hit you in the ass...

junkie{ you rock}..

[Tradeguy]

10-Shot....you are a hoot (I mean that in a good way...lol). I know exactly what you are talking about, btw...

Junkie also maintains the best and most complete set of scenario schedules on the internet - (he even includes driving directions)

The scenario paintball calendar (which I started back around 2001 I think) was complete because I didn't depend on producers to input their schedules. So all of the major producers - including Wayne - were always included automatically.

Kahuna did a fantastic job rewriting the software, but it went to a "producer supported" format, so a lot of games are missing (like Wayne's). Now's he's looking to sell the system and domain, so its ultimate future is in doubt.

Junkie puts in the extra work to include ALL of the major producers, and I really appreciate that. He also takes kick-ass photos!

Anyway...if I've never said it...let me say it now. Pbjunkie is an excellent resource with a great bunch of scenario pballers!

Rich / Tradeguy