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[Aerion]

We enjoyed having you, Country! Come back anytime!

Originally Posted by Saludapaintballer

I do have one thing that I noticed today and have been seeing it more and more....The number of times someone gets shot (overshooting) is rising more and more. The amount of paint that people string out of a gun at someone is getting a little out of control IMO...I miss the days of only getting shot two or three times tops.... Today there were more times than not that I was shot out of the game by a volley of paintballs from one gun that would paint the side of a decent size barn. It was not out of the norm today to be shot 6-10 times with the first or second one busting on me. With the accuracy and technology of todays barrels you shot 15 balls a second at someone and there is a good chance of hitting them at least with ten of those balls and the first one breaking. Now imagine 4 players shooting just 10 bps at one person. In the matter of one second that is 40 paintballs all headed at one person. There is a really good chance for that person to get TORE up. Just a thought guys......Shot one and see where your ball is headed and then put three in the air real fast.......If you are needing to keep someones head down behind a bunker then shoot all the you can as fast as you can to keep them down but when you are really actually shooting at someone use a little self control...IMO

This is a pet peeve of mine as well. I don't understand how you can fire 15bps at someone and NOT overshoot them. But, technology allows this high rate of fire and players seem to be addicted to it. Too many players substitute rate of fire for playing skill without realizing that a high rate of fire can help, but not nearly as much as skill. It's a bad trade for many reasons.

We started out wanting to enforce a 6bps rule but it was obvious that too many players had too much invested in Ions and Angels and all those other spray guns to give them up. Attendance to this event probably would have been half of what we had if we had stuck to that rule. It's a huge pity too. If the spray-and-prayers would give up their techno-toys they would learn what the REAL thrill of paintball is.

Both pumps and woodsball is making a comeback in paintball as more and more players are learning that spraying paint in a small arena isn't really much of a challenge.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Aerion

This is a pet peeve of mine as well. I don't understand how you can fire 15bps at someone and NOT overshoot them. But, technology allows this high rate of fire and players seem to be addicted to it. Too many players substitute rate of fire for playing skill without realizing that a high rate of fire can help, but not nearly as much as skill. It's a bad trade for many reasons.

We started out wanting to enforce a 6bps rule but it was obvious that too many players had too much invested in Ions and Angels and all those other spray guns to give them up. Attendance to this event probably would have been half of what we had if we had stuck to that rule. It's a huge pity too. If the spray-and-prayers would give up their techno-toys they would learn what the REAL thrill of paintball is.

Both pumps and woodsball is making a comeback in paintball as more and more players are learning that spraying paint in a small arena isn't really much of a challenge.

You are making some dangerous assumptions and generalizations about electro toting players.

I have stated in other places that I have an issue with an arbitrarily low bps limit on electro markers only. Several mechanical markers (cockers, RT'd Tippies, RT's mags, X-valve'd mags) can achieve a rater of fire in the 12-18 bps range without difficulty and yet no one is stating, "We should cap them".

I agree that substituting firepower for skill is not a good thing. However, when you combine firepower with skill, you take paintball to a whole new level.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Moose

You are making some dangerous assumptions and generalizations about electro toting players.

I have stated in other places that I have an issue with an arbitrarily low bps limit on electro markers only. Several mechanical markers (cockers, RT'd Tippies, RT's mags, X-valve'd mags) can achieve a rater of fire in the 12-18 bps range without difficulty and yet no one is stating, "We should cap them".

I agree that substituting firepower for skill is not a good thing. However, when you combine firepower with skill, you take paintball to a whole new level.

Try pump play for a few years and you will see Aerion's point more clearly.

[sneakysnake]

Nix, I wasn't trying to imply that ANYONE from the little girls quit, as a matter of fact you guys were the ones that I kept seeing on the field, and I think anyone who has played with or against you guys knows that you guys are not going to give up...what I was saying is that once the refs/thumper saw that it was unevenly matched (after the first two objectives) they tried to do a few things to even it up, and they should be commended for their efforts. my last post was not to beat my chest, or talk crap about how we won, it was more to say that the teams were unbalanced, but the refs tried to fix that when they realized it! Although I did the math, and 600 points we earned were just because the missions were general led. , I know Inerwolf wasn't feeling so hot so I can understand, I'm simply trying to point out that roughly a quarter of the difference in points was simply Ace doing what he does..

as far as the next scenario, I have nothing but respect for the little girls, and would love a chance to play on the same team with you crazy guys!!

I can only speak for me but i thought that gun ship was a pain in the butt, and I know we were pushed back from objectives time and time again as it came through, it was especially effective at no mans, and the tower!

Well EVERYONE I enjoyed it, and I enjoyed Fri. night, hope to see everyone out at TT soon for a good day of rec ball!!

[Saludapaintballer]

Originally Posted by Aerion

We enjoyed having you, Country! Come back anytime!

Thanks man I had a great time and so did everyone else I brought up. You all have a great place to play!!! Look forward to seeing you all again....

Originally Posted by Aerion

This is a pet peeve of mine as well. I don't understand how you can fire 15bps at someone and NOT overshoot them.

DITTO!!!

Originally Posted by Aerion

We started out wanting to enforce a 6bps rule but it was obvious that too many players had too much invested in Ions and Angels and all those other spray guns to give them up.

I shoot an stock Ion. This weekend it was down and scrappy let me borrow his. (side note: great guy and a real asset to the sport!) With shooting an Ion in the woods you need to use your head. If I am shooting at someone and have a good shot - I will pull the trigger ONCE and kinda see where it is headed and then put two in the air but three at the most. then if those dont break or hit the target pull of a couple more. I saw it more than once this weekend where someone had a player in clear view and a clear shot a pulled off a finger roll on them. Not cool at all. Now if I have got someone bunkered and I am needing to keep there head down so I can move or someone else can move I will finger roll the heck out of the side of a bunker to scare the poop out of the person on the other side of it so they dont even think about poking up to shoot back....but as far as actually taking aim to mark someone use your head players!!!

To end this on a positive note I want to say that the first time I got shot out yesterday was from STEERS....errr.....great job man and he snuck right up behind me and shot me ONE TIME...also I have no idea who it was but me and two other guys were going up to the tower and there was a guy in the tower that had the patience of Job casue he waited for us to get right to the bridge and shot the first guy out ONE SHOT. Great playing guys....

[Deebo]

I had a blast at this scenario, and I wish the score would have been a little closer, 'cause then more people on the VC would have had a better time too. But I saw some things out there that clearly made me think, "What are the VC doing??" Here they are:

1) I rarely saw the VC venture much farther than Antietem, their starting area. From the first mission near Tam Ky, where there was very little opposition, the tone was set. We had little resistance there, we went to No Man's land (Hue City), and I personally never saw a VC go past the road (I was on the side furtherest from the Tower). They were in Antietem, and never made it further. Also, I only saw one person come close to the Yard base, and that was Patches. He snuck up on three of us, unarmed, in the base, and we talked for a while. He said something there that sort of said it all, "Ya'll are attacking our base, and nobody else has the guts to come over to yall's, so I thought I would do the same to yall." (It was basically like that)

2) I was at many missions where little or no opposition came. These include Quinon at 11:30 (don't blame the VC, it was right at our respawn), Cu Lao (graveyard) at 4:30 (will come back to this later), and twice at Hue city. One time at Hue, there were about three VC there, we ran them away quickly with about 15-20 Yard/USSF, and then they sent a tank in there that annoyed us a bit until it was taken out. Cu Lao was a bit of a breather for us, as it was getting hot and tiring. The VC sent I think 4 guys at us, but we were sitting (literally) strong at about 10-15 guys. It was at this same time that there was a mission being run at Phnom Penh, right in Antietem and real close to the VC base. The Yards/USSF ended up winning that one, which was a real shocker to me.

Also, there were things that made me go, "The USSF/Yards have it together. Here they are...

1) Ace was everywhere. I followed Ace around most of the day because he was the USSF General, and I was on USSF. I didn't go around with Spook much, as he wasn't my leader, though I did see him many places. Ace being at missions was good for many reasons, including extra points and leadership right where the action was.

2) Everyone respected each other. When someone had an idea, people would listen to them and not ctriticize them. I had lots of things going through my mind, and when I spoke people twice my age listened to me as well as those my same age. This was the case when anyone spoke. I tagged along with Carolina Riot, JAPS, and random groups of people, and everyone worked together nicely getting those flanking positions and running . No hostility at all.


Now take what I have to say as just my observations, and of course I could have had a completely different day than say anyone on the VC side, or someone on my side as well. I'll post what I think about overshooting somewhere else on this forum.

[squirrel]

Guys I have been on the recieving end of scores like that. I think Aerion was right, the scenario teams on the USSF side just clicked. We worked really well together. But the next time Carolina Riot goes out to play we are just as likely to recieve a butt whooping. It has happened before and will happen again.

I saw some bad behavior on both sides. The worst thing I think that can happen on a field is people not calling themselves out when they are hit. It just leads to lots more problems. The people doing the shooting tend to get frustrated and overshoot, in order to make sure the person calls themselves out. The people on the recieving end, especially the honorable players who would call themselves out when hit the first time, get upset about the overshooting. Neither side is right in that situation. I saw instances of overshooting and not calling yourself out on both sides. I have seen it in every game of paintball I have ever played.

I thought the refs did a really good job on paint checks, but the simple fact is in a scenario game there cannot be enough refs to check everything. I think both sides for the most part played with honor, there were some incidents but for the most part I thought they were pretty minor.

As far as the electro gun thing is concerned, I guess we as carolina riot get a little defensive when the issue comes up. Alot of the team owns them, but most of the people on the team who own them have played paintball for more than 5 years. We have owned 98 customs, phantoms, spyders, and cockers, that is what we learned to play with. If you limited the field bps speed to 6 bps then I would still go out on the field with my angel set to 6 bps. I like my angel, I like the accuracy and air effeciency. The electro guns are here to stay in scenario, with the inexpensive markers like the ion, wrath, pro-master and others more and more people are going to be shooting them. But we as players need to teach the new players what is the right way to play and the wrong way to play. If you play the wrong way it doesn't matter what you shoot.

I also think the overshooting thing may come from the fact that sometimes for various reasons one individual player on the opposition comes to the attention of a large part of the team. We had several times yesterday when a single VC would pop up and shoot at a group of USSF players, well the entire group of players turned and shot at that single person. The result being a large volume of paint headed towards that single player. I am not sure there is a remedy for that.

But all in all we had a great time, Jack Ass Paintballers were some stand up paintballers to play with. Little Girls you guys were stand up too, I know the frustration you went through yesterday. Don't let it get to you though, becasue like I said ealier, we all go through days like that.

[scpaintballer01]

Originally Posted by squirrel

As far as the electro gun thing is concerned, I guess we as carolina riot get a little defensive when the issue comes up. Alot of the team owns them, but most of the people on the team who own them have played paintball for more than 5 years. We have owned 98 customs, phantoms, spyders, and cockers, that is what we learned to play with. If you limited the field bps speed to 6 bps then I would still go out on the field with my angel set to 6 bps. I like my angel, I like the accuracy and air effeciency. The electro guns are here to stay in scenario, with the inexpensive markers like the ion, wrath, pro-master and others more and more people are going to be shooting them. But we as players need to teach the new players what is the right way to play and the wrong way to play. If you play the wrong way it doesn't matter what you shoot.

I also think the overshooting thing may come from the fact that sometimes for various reasons one individual player on the opposition comes to the attention of a large part of the team. We had several times yesterday when a single VC would pop up and shoot at a group of USSF players, well the entire group of players turned and shot at that single person. The result being a large volume of paint headed towards that single player. I am not sure there is a remedy for that.

QTF!! Best post of the day imo. Lets face it, in a scenario your going to be subject to overshooting, especially in thumpers scenarios because he loves the mega missions , nothing wrong with it, just when you've got 50v50 mission on No-Mans-Land, your gona get shot...a lot. It's part of the game, yes, but if you teach a player from his first game "1 shot is all you need if it's clear, and at the most 3" then they'll probably stick with it.

Anywho, sounded like a lot of fun, wish i could have gone

edit: scrappy?? an asset to the sport??!! rofl.

[scrappy]

Originally Posted by scpaintballer01

edit: scrappy?? an asset to the sport??!! rofl.

what else can you say, im a straight up killer HA

[p8ntballweird]

word, I had a lot of fun... This was my/pirates(big green shirts) first scenario and we got to meet some pretty cool guys... I had a pretty dull outlook on scenario ball, but it was pretty fun. I only wished the teams had been a bit more even. oh well. I was the short guy shooting the silver/chrome dm3 btw.