My Tank Rules Primer

[MrWizard]

And on Sunday refs were calling paint hits to the tank markers mounted in the tanks as eliminations. Gernade hits eliminations or 10 minute stops. Mass confusion. Enough so to make a 12yr old tanker who had 8 games of experience before question what was going on in tears......{queue Marvin Gaye song}

The ride home was a 4 hr decompressing rant.

[SirRod]

I hope I can be of help with thies issues. After all ive been at this sport for 22 years
Ive had trouble with Ref's or tank walkers in the past who allowed the tanker's to blatently violate the rules. This is what I was trying to get across in another thread but was not received well.
Read this thread from the MXS Forums Tripps Forum. 20' tank rule.

Post subject: 20' Tank Rule Hi Bobby:
At the Halo event Camp Blanding 06, I was shot to pices by the driver of "Gurtrude" the tank from Gator Paintball.

As I understand it the 20' rule should have been put into place when the tank attacked me behind a low wall. It chased me into this position.

It was most deffinately closer than 20', and started shooting at me first.

The rule as stated is:IMPORTANT NOTE TO PLAYERS: There is a safety space of 20-FOOT distance around all tanks. If a tank or a live player intentionally comes within 20 feet of each other, the aggressor(s) will be called eliminated. Furthermore, tanks and / or players who intentionally violate this 20-foot boundary are subject to ejection from the event. This is a serious safety issue. Tanks may not encroach within 20 feet of a live player behind a bunker (i.e. – do not chase players around - or from - their cover). Players may not hide and use this rule to eliminate a tank.

There were other players in the immedeate area and the tank was accompanyed by a judge with a :Yellow Cross" on his Goggles on the brow.

The tank driver started shooting at me and the other players with his personal marker first, as we hunkered down behind the low walls of the ruines. Came to our location and again most deffinately was with in the 20' rule.

I was hit by the tank when I tried to return fire, and stood up calling hit and raising my arms, as stated in the "Tank Rules". The Driver of the tank continued to shoot me after I stood up and had my arms deffinately raised.

When I said "Please stop shooting me" the judge was verry gruff and told me to leave and not cause controversy.

I want to know why the judge didn't eliminate the tank for violating the 20' rule?

Also shouldn't it be illegeal for an occupant to shoot from a vehicle with impuinity, because there behind safty. If it isn't it shouold be!

IMO there should be no more than a main gun and one small arms marker per tank.

Thanks looking forward to your answer.



What Im curious about is if you all compile a new set of rules for tanks who is going to abide by them? Will thies new rules be applied unilatteraly or only at certan vinues?
Here is a link to the set of GRSP on the Sceneriopaintball web , which have been copyrited by former member of MXS's Promoters team. They are the standard rules set at this time. As far as I know.

GENERAL

[REF]

I think that we should have a 15ft rule people want the extra protection. 10ft seems fair enough, because people are safe and it give the players a way to take out a tank. in an open military base, its probably no big deal to throw 20 ft, but in a heavily wooded area 20 is one hell of a throw for a satchel bag.

[D.B. Daddy]

Originally Posted by MrWizard

The fill guy drained the AssasiNation tanks 120cuft cylinder trying to fill it.

Of course Bobio rented 2 full ones and I installed the extra into their tank in 5 min and then they were GTG. Unfortunately USAMOW had left by then.

Many thanks to Bearclaw Bob for filling their scuba and ours once each.

This will no longer be a problem Kruger and Code 3 will be doing air at Bear Claw for at least the next 2 years. Kruger's set up will bring us from the late 1980s in to the 21st century. He really does have a nice Clean Dry Fast rig.

[SirRod]

Formally at Camp Blanding MOUT Tanks have been restricted to the concreet roadway around the buildings.
The last game Vipers FEAR for a short time the tanks were allowed to use the trails, but it wasn't long that this was reversed.

[socoj2]

Originally Posted by SirRod

I hope I can be of help with thies issues. After all ive been at this sport for 22 years
Ive had trouble with Ref's or tank walkers in the past who allowed the tanker's to blatently violate the rules. This is what I was trying to get across in another thread but was not received well.
Read this thread from the MXS Forums Tripps Forum. 20' tank rule.

Post subject: 20' Tank Rule Hi Bobby:
At the Halo event Camp Blanding 06, I was shot to pices by the driver of "Gurtrude" the tank from Gator Paintball.

As I understand it the 20' rule should have been put into place when the tank attacked me behind a low wall. It chased me into this position.

It was most deffinately closer than 20', and started shooting at me first.

The rule as stated is:IMPORTANT NOTE TO PLAYERS: There is a safety space of 20-FOOT distance around all tanks. If a tank or a live player intentionally comes within 20 feet of each other, the aggressor(s) will be called eliminated. Furthermore, tanks and / or players who intentionally violate this 20-foot boundary are subject to ejection from the event. This is a serious safety issue. Tanks may not encroach within 20 feet of a live player behind a bunker (i.e. – do not chase players around - or from - their cover). Players may not hide and use this rule to eliminate a tank.

There were other players in the immedeate area and the tank was accompanyed by a judge with a :Yellow Cross" on his Goggles on the brow.

The tank driver started shooting at me and the other players with his personal marker first, as we hunkered down behind the low walls of the ruines. Came to our location and again most deffinately was with in the 20' rule.

I was hit by the tank when I tried to return fire, and stood up calling hit and raising my arms, as stated in the "Tank Rules". The Driver of the tank continued to shoot me after I stood up and had my arms deffinately raised.

When I said "Please stop shooting me" the judge was verry gruff and told me to leave and not cause controversy.

I want to know why the judge didn't eliminate the tank for violating the 20' rule?

Also shouldn't it be illegeal for an occupant to shoot from a vehicle with impuinity, because there behind safty. If it isn't it shouold be!

IMO there should be no more than a main gun and one small arms marker per tank.

Thanks looking forward to your answer.



What Im curious about is if you all compile a new set of rules for tanks who is going to abide by them? Will thies new rules be applied unilatteraly or only at certan vinues?
Here is a link to the set of GRSP on the Sceneriopaintball web , which have been copyrited by former member of MXS's Promoters team. They are the standard rules set at this time. As far as I know.

GENERAL

In that the Player is out. Players are alot more mobile then the tank.

[SirRod]

Originally Posted by socoj2

In that the Player is out. Players are alot more mobile then the tank.

I guess you don't understand the 20' rule.
It says a tank can not chase players, this is what this tank did chased me into the ruins.
The Ref/tank walker which was a well known paid Ref for the Producers, should have eliminated the tank for chasing the players and encroching with in the 20' limit. The tanker could have been ejected from the game.
I mean the driver was only about 10' away when he continued to shoot me when I had clearly called my self out and held up my marker in my hand...
This is 3 blatent rules violations in one incident. Chasing, Encroching the 20' rule and over shooting.
This is what I was trying to say in the other "Tank Rules" thread. That Drivers shold only "Drive" not shoot markers out of the tank without any concequences...If I hit the driver or his marker he should have been out but the Ref didn't bother to call that either.
Maybe the Rule should be if anyone fires a personal marker out of a tank and it gets hit that he/she should be called out...its the same as if I were fireing my marker out of a window of a building and it got hit Im OUT!
My personal feeling about the Ref and the Driver of the tank were buddys.
Why should I be called out just because in your "Openion" its easier for me to leave the field. Thats ludicrous.

[socoj2]

after reading what you posted further...

This....

<<Tanks may not encroach within 20 feet of a live player behind a bunker (i.e. – do not chase players around - or from - their cover). >>

is the single dumbest rule i have ever read....

So if you hide behind a bunker.... I can not drive past it and shoot you in the ass? LOLOLOL

[SirRod]

socoj2:
I didn't make the rules but I have to abide by them...As I understand it as long as you didn't chase the player in there and your not with in the 20' distance rule your at liberty to shoot all and any...

But your not getting the spirit of my post. That the Driver or anyone in the tank that shoots a personal marker out of it should be eliminated if the person or personal marker is hit.
This driver shot me with impunity, because he knew the Ref was on his side...and wouldn't do anything about it. Blatent Rules Violation. What should have happened is the tank when he started chasing us into the ruins and came with in the 20' encrochment distance the ref should have eliminated the tank acording to the rules. It would be ther same if I walked around a corner of a building and a tank was with in the 20' distance im eliminated. Its whomever encroches and violates the 20' rule...The rule is "GREY" as in not clear. Which should be reasoned by an impartal ref and applied acordingly.

[socoj2]

I understand your point but those rules are Dumb as hell. So because you where not behind a bunker and i shot at you and ran behind a bunker, i just have to ignore you?

I agree with you that some refs are impartial, but they are a lot more partial then just tank walkers.

Let me state again, those MXS rules are freaking retarded.